dslreports logo
site
 
    All Forums Hot Topics Gallery
spc

spacer




how-to block ads


Search Topic:
uniqs
16
share rss forum feed


Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to bbwarrior

Re: New Quebec Cable Rates

The difference is not 8ms, it's closer to 4-6ms.

If you play with people on a Toronto server, the latency is identical (probably better for TSI due to not going there over the public internet).

If you connect to a server in Montreal, that latency would indeed double, because the Montreal server needs the data to get to Toronto. Possibly worse, because the public internet path isn't as fast as Bell's internal network.

In the real world, I can give you some figures:

Home -> Toronto Server: 13ms
Home -> Montreal Videotron Fibre: 22ms

So on VDSL2, you could reasonably ping 22ms to a Montreal server. But anything else an it becomes less clear; routing through Toronto to Chicago, for example, adds no latency (again, probably faster than the public internet).

Besides this, there is no discernible difference to the gaming experience because of an added 9ms of latency. It's the placebo effect. You're talking about half a frame of latency at 60FPS, and all modern games have sophisticated latency correction anyhow. Far more important than the difference in latency is the quality of the latency. Jitter and packetloss. The same is true for VoIP. Even then, games have excellent extrapolation and interpolation to account for these.

EDIT: Also, realize that if you press the "fire" button on your computer, and your round-trip latency is 22ms, then it takes roughly HALF that time for your computer to send the notification to the server. Because 22ms is there-and-back, but sending commands to the server is just one-way. And there's no reaction-time loop here either, because your local game is predicting the enemy's location anyhow.
--
Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org



alkizmo

join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1

I disagree with the placebo effect AND the latency increase.

With videotron I had 9ms with the Fibre Noir speedtest server.
With TSi I had 30ms with Fibre Noir speedtest server.

That's a 21ms increase right there.

Yes if I play on Toronto servers, Videotron and TSI won't have a difference, as either way it will route to Toronto.

But if I play in a New York server, which near the same longitude as Montreal, with Videotron my link would go directly North (give or take some hops East and West).
With TSI, that link would go out West South (Toronto), then back East and South towards New York.

I do notice the difference because originally I didn't know my ping was higher. I was playing on the same server I played for several months so I didn't bother. When I noticed my shots were slightly off, I checked my ping and I saw it was slightly higher.

Sure some games aren't as sensitive to 30ms more, but some other games are insanely different when you go from 15ms to 45ms (Like HL2 based games).



bbwarrior

join:2005-12-12
Saint-Laurent, QC
reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

The difference is not 8ms, it's closer to 4-6ms.

Minimum I've seen was 7ms from Peer1 Tor-Mtl It's generally between 7 and 8 ms.

4 10ge.xe-2-0-0.tor-151f-cor-1.peer1.net (216.187.114.145) 0.925 ms 216.187.113.73 (216.187.113.73) 0.927 ms 10ge.xe-2-0-0.tor-151f-cor-1.peer1.net (216.187.114.145) 0.918 ms
5 10ge-xe-1-1-0.mtl-bvh-dis-2.peer1.net (216.187.114.198) 8.204 ms 8.200 ms 8.242 ms


bbwarrior

join:2005-12-12
Saint-Laurent, QC
reply to alkizmo

said by alkizmo:

I disagree with the placebo effect AND the latency increase.

With videotron I had 9ms with the Fibre Noir speedtest server.
With TSi I had 30ms with Fibre Noir speedtest server.

Pinging fibrenoire.ca [208.84.104.2] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 208.84.104.2: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=54
Reply from 208.84.104.2: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=54
Reply from 208.84.104.2: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=54
Reply from 208.84.104.2: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=54

Note that the diff corresponds to my 16 ms figure, 16 + 9ms = 25 ms.

In reality it's between 14-16ms Tor-Mtl is between 7 and 8ms.


alkizmo

join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1

Look present it how you want but to me it's still a nifty little bonus aside from paying 10$ less. Watching my consumption to limit myself to 300gb instead of 250gb isn't worth 10$ and the unlimited packages are too pricey considering I don't average much more than 250gb a month. I just have to regularize my consumption so I don't go over and what I didn't get by limiting myself I will get on a less busy month.