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25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH

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Gov't FTTH

and lets assume; that you think the FCC should strip the current providers of their network and create an FTTH network at the cost of my tax money?

We have companies that compete and companies that will keep expanding. Just because we don't have a national FTTH network thanks to our Gov't doesn't mean we don't have anything.



ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL

What ISPs are competing? Prices are still rising. I don't think competition is occurring when that happens.



ArlynMosey

@ProcesosIRC.org
reply to 25139889

Well, you wouldn't have to build a national FTTH network to start addressing the problems. You could start by not letting ISPs buy state-level laws prohibiting towns and cities from wiring themselves. You could focus on getting open access fiber builds up and running in real problem areas using a combination of public/private funds and then allowing ISPs to layer in and compete. You could work on political reform to stop lobbyists from buying Congress. You could stop subsidizing mega-carriers for doing nothing. There's a universe of real reform that could happen, none of which actually is.



PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
reply to ArrayList

Oh, I've got excellent competition in my neighborhood! Comcast, Comcast, linksys, and Comcast!


flashcore

join:2007-01-23
united state

I also have excellent competition in my neighborhood, Comcast linksys and FiOS. The only reasonably priced option is linksys (Free), the others the price goes up year after year with no end in sight but FiOS is still the better paid value for Internet.


slynerve

join:2011-04-11
reply to 25139889

said by 25139889:

and lets assume; that you think the FCC should strip the current providers of their network and create an FTTH network at the cost of my tax money?

We have companies that compete and companies that will keep expanding. Just because we don't have a national FTTH network thanks to our Gov't doesn't mean we don't have anything.

You don't want your tax dollars going to create thousands if not millions of jobs and being invested in a much needed infrastructure overhaul?

No one is saying to take away already grounded infrastructure. But the fact is that this country needs something and the telcos and cable companies are unwilling to provide it. What exactly do you suggest we do when they stack the deck in their favor and have almost an unlimited amount of money to throw into the fray?

gorehound

join:2009-06-19
Portland, ME
reply to 25139889

What Competition ?
Why are your Accounts Capped ?
Why are we seeing "Throttling" ?
Why are we charged a thousand times over per Gig of Extra Data we download ?

No the FCC is a joke.And our Government will not truly set things straight.They are all on the take and they all gladly take the Telcos Money.
FRAK YOU WASHINGTON !


jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
reply to 25139889

Was this a question and a statement or what?


Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
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reply to 25139889

The Aussies have got it right on this front. Much like interstates, their Federal government is building a wholesale FTTH network, which any carrier can use to resell a service.

This is the ONLY way we will ever bring competition to America. With FIOS and Uverse roll-outs effectively over, the vast majority of Americans are stuck at the whims of monopolies.

On a side note, it's also just laughable to read about the 100MB/s services offered in France and then see how little they pay for it. Reaganites truly screwed us up and put us years behind the rest of the world.

Republicans appoint their cronies into key positions in the FCC, FDA, USDA etc and then hamper their ability to do anything. But hey, at least we waste more on defense than the next 17 nations combined. What an achievement, considering it also has the lowest ROI of any tax dollar spent.


Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
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reply to gorehound

said by gorehound:

No the FCC is a joke.And our Government will not truly set things straight.They are all on the take and they all gladly take the Telcos Money.
FRAK YOU WASHINGTON !

FCC is not a joke, it's what you make it. The GOP has driven every and any government agency into the ground.

Why do you think there is significantly more competition in other big gov countries that were supposed to fail 50 years ago? Why do you think there are uniform wireless spectrum bands and cell phones cannot be locked down to one network? How about 5 to 10 broadband providers and wireless companies to choose from? Because they have consumer protection bodies like the one the GOP has killed and their government actually looks out for their citizens - 'We the People'.

Heck, why do you think GMO food is banned or must be indicated on the label in most other developed countries? Same deal with the pink slime used in our ground beef, where they do not even inform us of this.

No government means corporations and the few get to call the shots and that is indeed the America the Republicans want and envision.

wiid

join:2008-02-17
Outland
reply to Telco

said by Telco See ProfileReaganites truly screwed us up and put us years behind the rest of the world.

Republicans appoint their cronies into key positions in the FCC, FDA, USDA etc and then hamper their ability to do anything. But hey, at least we waste more on defense than the next 17 nations combined. What an achievement, considering it also has the lowest ROhI of any tax dollar spent.

It must be different on your planet. On my planet Mr. Hope and Change runs the party that controls our FCC.

In my reality Reagan was president before the internet or FCC regulation of it.

25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to ArlynMosey

what problems? You have choices for broadband; Lets see; Comcast TWC, WOW! RCN, Cablevision, ViaSat, U-Versee/ATT, and many other indies that this site is always raving about- Sonic.net where they're pulling a Sprint and trying to build 2 networks.

And Cities should NOT wire themselves. They are there to PROTECT not to profit off people. Cities and towns go out and start shopping for bonds that takes YEARS AND YEARS to pay off and are STILL in debt. That bond money should be going to pay for services the people NEED that the city provides; maybe a new fire truck or 2, new police cars, new EMSes, should i go on?

And why should the gov't step in? Private companies fill the caps as needed and where needed. And people are free to start their own ISP.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to ArrayList

ya and so does the cost of milk but you don't see anyone asking the gov't to step in about that.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to slynerve

yah the same as my tax money is going to pay for national rail system, and Amtrak which are worthless to people. Over priced services that we can get else where.

The gov't has NO business trying to be a business. And again; if you feel that the current businesses are NOT providing; go fill that gap and compete by starting your own company; the same as this country was built on and stop complaining about something that can be done about it.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to gorehound

The FCC has NO control over the Internet time to move on.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to Telco

Yes the FCC is a joke. It was created to protect the wireless spectrum for radio networks. NOT for phone services, nor for TV/Media and surely not for the Internet.

The FCC needs to go back to doing what it was created to do so and stay out o the business that it does NOT have any control over.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to Telco

FiOS was over the minute it started being built. The uptake on it was over rated and anyone could have told you that they would have NEVER gotten the amount of customers that were projected anytime soon.

The same will happen with any other network. You going to force a customer to switch? I don't think so.

And the Aussies also owned that phone network some time. You try doing that in the US and see how fast the FCC and alike are not in court.

The USDA and the FDA do their jobs. That they were created for - the FCC does NOT and tries to do what ever they want until they're sued.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 25139889

You really do have no clue.

Naming every ISP out there doesnt show competition. In virtually every single market you have 1 or 2 choices of actual broadband. If you are very lucky you may have 2 or 3.

Cities are there to serve their people the way the people want to be served. If they (the people) decide they want to put up Christmas lights on every house, tree, bush, and building in the city and and want the city to do and vote to approve it, then the city damn well better be putting Christmas lights up and figure out how to maintain it. In the same sense, if a city is not happy with the incumbents and the people want to have the city serve them broadband, then the city is obligated to serve them. THAT is the reason the are elected.

Now move along so the adults can talk.


slynerve

join:2011-04-11

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said by 25139889:

yah the same as my tax money is going to pay for national rail system, and Amtrak which are worthless to people. Over priced services that we can get else where.

The gov't has NO business trying to be a business. And again; if you feel that the current businesses are NOT providing; go fill that gap and compete by starting your own company; the same as this country was built on and stop complaining about something that can be done about it.

Please explain to me how this is a possibility when they incumbents forbid such things from happening. No, really, please. Tell me. I can't lease poles because cable has most of them tied up and reserved spaces for possible future expansions. I can't dig anywhere because telcos have the right to ground. So, again: what is someone to do when the deck is stacked and the dealer is crooked?

I also point out that the ISPs have bilked the government out of millions for rural broadband expansion and no one is angry at the thieves - the ISPs - but rather places blame on the people who were stole from - the government and American people. That's the definition of an inside job: they buy their men and women into the system and give themselves huge swaths of money at the expense of the people. But rather than changing this we just yell "FREE TRADE!" and elect people who will make it easier for them to do more of the same.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 25139889

Here we go.....

The go build your own network defense. LOL!


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 25139889

I think it is time for you to do a little review and learn yourself before you continue spouting off and looking like a fool.


Telco

join:2008-12-19

1 edit
reply to 25139889

So you are implying that everyone should be able to broadcast on any frequency..

Do you have any idea about how wireless work???


Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
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reply to 25139889

said by 25139889:

The FCC has NO control over the Internet time to move on.

Um that's the problem.

Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
·Callcentric
reply to wiid

Well said, as RWers do indeed live on their own planet. The Big Government world has handed it to America yet your dimwitted ilk still spew out the same baseless nonsense and failed minimum government creed from Reagan.

Obama has been in office for 3 years, he cannot repair all of the damage done by RWers and certainly not overnight. This is just another thing on the list that needs to be repaired.


Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
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reply to 25139889

I thought you said we had lots of choice.

Therefore, we need a new agency that handles all forms of communication. One guess which party will totally oppose this? Hint: the idiot speaker is from your state.

By the way, the Aussies are building a brand new, from the ground on up, wholesale FTTH network.


wiid

join:2008-02-17
Outland
reply to Telco

said by Telco:

FCC is not a joke, it's what you make it. The GOP has driven every and any government agency into the ground.

Why do you think there is significantly more competition in other big gov countries that were supposed to fail 50 years ago? Why do you think there are uniform wireless spectrum bands and cell phones cannot be locked down to one network? How about 5 to 10 broadband providers and wireless companies to choose from? Because they have consumer protection bodies like the one the GOP has killed and their government actually looks out for their citizens - 'We the People'.

Heck, why do you think GMO food is banned or must be indicated on the label in most other developed countries? Same deal with the pink slime used in our ground beef, where they do not even inform us of this.

No government means corporations and the few get to call the shots and that is indeed the America the Republicans want and envision.

Aside from unhelpful and erroneous partisan bashing. Do you have any suggestions for the party in power?

Regarding those countries that were supposed to fail ... Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Iceland??

Have you noted the economic stagnation in Japan? How about repression in China? Did you recently check the Canadian forums ISP reviews?

Did Denmarks or Spains windmill problems elude your notice? What black solid fossil fuel is Germany relying on for new power plants?

We have problems here, but much of our planet isn't doing much better.

Telco

join:2008-12-19
reply to 25139889

Does the Republican party have a team of idiots they send out to every board to post simplistic hyperbolic nonsense?


Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
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reply to wiid

said by wiid:

Aside from unhelpful and erroneous partisan bashing. Do you have any suggestions for the party in power?

Regarding those countries that were supposed to fail ... Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Iceland??

Have you noted the economic stagnation in Japan? How about repression in China? Did you recently check the Canadian forums ISP reviews?

Did Denmarks or Spains windmill problems elude your notice? What black solid fossil fuel is Germany relying on for new power plants?

We have problems here, but much of our planet isn't doing much better.

Ah yes, the knee-jerk cherry-picking of countries. I was thinking more along the lines of France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Canada, Netherlands, Belgium, Australia etc.

No partisan bashing at all, it's simply rehashing where the parties stand on these issues. The GOP would rather spend $750 Billion every year on defense than invest a single $1 on infrastructure, America, or Americans.

Actually, it's widely know outside Faux news that the reason Japan stagnated was because they pursued decade long austerity measures; similar to what is proposed by the GOP. Therefore, much like Greece, rather than growing they simply stagnated.

Just in case you have not noticed but the #2 economy in the world is now communist China. Have you seen the infrastructure in China? It makes a complete mockery out of every single Red State combined. Heck, find me one airport in America that comes even close to Beijing International.

The rest is just nonsense considering the sheer number of nations RWers label Big Government that have lower unemployment rates, lower deficits, a high quality of life, 1000 times newer and better infrastructure, and (on topic) 100MB/s broadband connections versus our 3MB DSL.

You also did not explain how it is that Big Government nations can have 5 to 10 broadband providers, whereas the majority of Americans typically have 1. 3MB DSL is not broadband, it's a joke.

In fact, the biggest government / high taxing nation of them all
has the second fastest speeds and once again, RWer rhetoric loses.

Then again why am I even talking with anyone who is a RWer about tech. The majority of innovation and tech mecca of America comes from the uber liberal San Fran area.

Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
·Callcentric
reply to 25139889

Why does our government have no business in anything? Because faux news and Rush L says so? I do not think so.

It is the duty of our government to look out for the interests of 'We the People' first.

As per the Constitution, this includes collecting taxes and using them accordingly in order to do so.


pandora
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Outland
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reply to Telco

said by Telco:

Well said, as RWers do indeed live on their own planet. The Big Government world has handed it to America yet your dimwitted ilk still spew out the same baseless nonsense and failed minimum government creed from Reagan.

Obama has been in office for 3 years, he cannot repair all of the damage done by RWers and certainly not overnight. This is just another thing on the list that needs to be repaired.

Telco,
The Democrats have had total control over government during the first part of the Obama administration. If something is seriously wrong at the FCC, it is pointless to blame Republicans. Blame the only party that has had the power to change things, in case you can't figure it out, that would be the Democrats. Personally I don't advise blaming either party, the issues are very complex and transcend political beliefs.

Democrats have had total control of both houses and the executive twice in the recent past (LBJ and Obama), before that you'd need to go to FDR. The last time Republicans had similar control, was when they were engaged in the military (and incidentally the political) defeat of Democrats during and shortly after the Civil War.

Karl wrote loving prose as news about Obama and the Hope and Change he promised early on. It turns out, 3 years later, things haven't improved much, if anything they have regressed. The most open administration in history (the current Obama administration) is the most closed. The end of revolving doors between regulators and the regulated per candidate Obama is if anything worse than ever under President Obama. Obama has hired many RIAA attorney's to help guide our DOJ.

It makes no sense to blast either party imo. Both have great warts. However, to blame Republicans for the current FCC regulatory fiasco, is ludicrous.

The electric and telephone utilities were given status as "natural monopolies" long ago and were exempt from many federal anti-trust rules. Initially the electrical and phone companies controlled the telephone poles, later cable came along. Each monopoly was in a separate business that needed to use the same easements (rights of way). All relied on wire, and telephone poles or underground conduit.

Within the past few decades as internet has proliferated, two of the utilities have crossed over into each others monopoly. Creating an accidental, and unintentional duopoly for most customers in the U.S.

The duopoly is enforced by federal, state and local law, and by regulation at the same levels. The only party that has had the power to unilaterally change it was the Democrats during the early part of Obama's first term.

To blast Republicans (outside the Blue Room) as you do, doesn't really help imo.
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