Re: In our State's defense...

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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	reply to AVD Re: In our State's defense... said by AVD: why do we need government involved. Because many believe that gummint is all things good and private industry is all things bad. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	I don't want to sound like a wingnut. But I draw the line somewhere. Government has no place regulating good behavior.
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Snowy mIRC unix.ro UnderNet Premium join:2003-04-05 Kailua, HI kudos:6 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·Clearwire Wireless	reply to StuartMW said by StuartMW: said by AVD: why do we need government involved. Because many believe that gummint is all things good and private industry is all things bad. OK, I'm stumped. Just who is this private industry that can hold people responsible for their digital activity? e.g., I just moved the $2.34 you had in your savings account to an offshore account I maintain. Who ya gonna call. the friggin' ghost busters or something?
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airwavz Always the green wire join:2011-09-11 Mount Juliet, TN kudos:1 1 edit	This is the same type of situation I've been arguing against for years, i.e. the "war on terrorism", the "war on drugs", etc. You CANNOT legislate moral behavior (or someone elses definition of morality) - it HAS NEVER worked and it WILL NEVER work! Sensitivity to others has to be learned, and it starts with the parents - and you sure as heck can't legislate good parenting (though I can wish). What causes this bad behavior - is it "the devil"? OK, let's see you write a law to control Satan... Is it our culture? Can you legislate all the cultural influences in our American (much less global) society? We have been dealing with the 'evils' of the world since we were running from Sabre-toothed tigers every time we left our caves to look for food! Bad stuff exists, bad PEOPLE exist - a thousand bad laws will NOT change that. If the majority of our society believe this is wrong, then it's up to those people to stand together and force those doing the wrong to stop - but another law just waiting to be abused is NOT the answer. I've been bullied (as a child and as an adult) - I've been kicked in the head, I've had guns and knives pointed at me, I've had my home broken into while I was there, and on and on. I DO understand emotional abuse, but if it's written (online or otherwise) - STOP READING IT!! If it's verbal - STOP LISTENING (or paying attention)!! If your kids are being treated this way, teach them the same lessons, as they will certainly need these skills if they are to ever leave their homes and attempt to accomplish anything!! You have a personal choice - ignore it or put an end to it! How you achieve that is up to you (within certain legal limits), and abuse and harassment laws already exist. If the tiger is threatening you, RUN AWAY or KILL IT!!! It's your choice, but a new law to 'prohibit the threatening behavior of tigers' is not going to change the tiger's behavior. We must quit expecting the government to fix it for us - strap on a set of brass ones, then get up off the couch and take a personal stand! If my Grandfathers could face down the whole German army to protect this country's freedom, can't we stand up to one bully?!?
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	BTW, slightly OT, I was raised to respect women. If a man hit a woman a number of men would take him to a back alley and beat the living shit out of him. When they were done they'd tell him not to do it again or else. I'm sure that breaks at least one law but it gets the job done. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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JALevinworth @embarqhsd.net	More OT: said by StuartMW: BTW, slightly OT, I was raised to respect women. If a man hit a woman a number of men would take him to a back alley and beat the living shit out of him. When they were done they'd tell him not to do it again or else. I'm sure that breaks at least one law but it gets the job done. Stew, I couldn't help it but for some reason I read your post with Cartman's voice, lol It was time for some comedic relief anyway, lol.
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Snowy mIRC unix.ro UnderNet Premium join:2003-04-05 Kailua, HI kudos:6 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·Clearwire Wireless	reply to airwavz Re: In our State's defense... said by airwavz: Bad stuff exists, bad PEOPLE exist - a thousand bad laws will NOT change that. If the majority of our society believe this is wrong, then it's up to those people to stand together and force those doing the wrong to stop Yeah, nothing like the rugged independent vigilante to dispense fair justice on the spot. Let's have a community picnic to discuss who needs fixin'.
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	said by Snowy: Let's have a community picnic to discuss who needs fixin'. I already have a list and have checked it twice -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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EGeezer Go Cats Premium join:2002-08-04 Midwest kudos:8	reply to Snowy said by Snowy: ... Let's have a community picnic to discuss who needs fixin'. For some, just the possibility of the existence that list is a sufficient deterrent.
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	said by EGeezer: For some, just the possibility of the existence that list is a sufficient deterrent. Well there are few a few young "men" around here will be/have been warned about certain behavior. If they don't take heed they'll regret it. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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airwavz Always the green wire join:2011-09-11 Mount Juliet, TN kudos:1	reply to Snowy said by Snowy: said by airwavz: Bad stuff exists, bad PEOPLE exist - a thousand bad laws will NOT change that. If the majority of our society believe this is wrong, then it's up to those people to stand together and force those doing the wrong to stop Yeah, nothing like the rugged independent vigilante to dispense fair justice on the spot. Let's have a community picnic to discuss who needs fixin'. Notice please I said "majority of our society", not "rugged independent vigilante" - there is a chasm of a difference there... And frankly, a lot of crime was prevented in the 'old west' days by the simple fact that doing the 'wrong thing' could get you shot on the spot. I can say that as a child (before I understood laws and morality and had the religious beliefs I have today) the idea that I might be sent to the electric chair (or had the living s**t beat out of me) for doing wrong influenced many a decision to avoid what would have been "bad" behavior. I don't agree with vigilante justice - heck, I don't even like violence, and when I was faced with a gun-wielding thug I actually diffused the situation by simply talking to the perpetrator and showing a little compassion for his issues - but therein lies my point; what he did was VERY MUCH against an existing law (several actually), but that law didn't stop him from pointing that gun at me! My explaining that even if he shot me it wouldn't change his circumstances, but allowing me to live would give us both a chance to change things for the better DID cause him to rethink his actions. Communication, reasoning, and like-minded individuals coming together to help one another (to stop a bully, feed the hungry, or end a war makes no difference) will always have far more power than a 'law' will. I personally believe the future of our democracy depends upon the power of 'each other' far more than the power of 'the law'.
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	said by airwavz: My explaining that even if he shot me it wouldn't change his circumstances, but allowing me to live would give us both a chance to change things for the better DID cause him to rethink his actions. Like this? -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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Snowy mIRC unix.ro UnderNet Premium join:2003-04-05 Kailua, HI kudos:6 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·Clearwire Wireless	reply to airwavz said by airwavz: ...but that law didn't stop him from pointing that gun at me! That had to be an awful experience, I'm glad you're among us today. Sure, laws don't prevent all crime, I'm not sure why that's even mentioned but the law or more specifically the laws penalty would reasonably have had some role in your eventual safety, I'd think anyway. What about the next victim who unfortunately doesn't have the composure to react as you did? What remedy would the "majority of our society" offer in the absence of law? said by airwavz: I personally believe the future of our democracy depends upon the power of 'each other' far more than the power of 'the law'. That's not as futuristic as you may think it is. The "majority of our society" could exist with minimal law. It's a "small minority of society" that creates the need for law.
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