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thegeek
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$1500?

how the hell does it cost that much to have a phone that just sits there unused?


FFH5
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said by thegeek:

how the hell does it cost that much to have a phone that just sits there unused?

From the linked story:
quote:
The company told the commission it spent $1,469 maintaining them that same year. That includes checking the coin boxes, repairing damage and paying for dial tones, surcharges, fees, taxes and phone books, Woods said.


IllIlIlllIll
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reply to thegeek
$1500 for to maintain the physical phone, pay any costs to have it located on the property and empty the money from it i suppose.
i remember the days where a Bell/AT&T phone was every 1/16 of a mile.
these days, any phones you find are third party rip-offs, they typically have a regular restricted POTS line entering a computerized phone, easy enough to just tap into the incoming line and make free calls.
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While the companies probably don't like eating these costs, the source article omits the fact that most of these telcos (small and large alike) have been subsidized billions for years for services they may -- or may have not -- ever actually provided.
I could care less how much it costs if they have been getting subsidized for services that they may or may not have ever provided.

They can suck it up and just keep the phone there.


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said by IllIlIlllIll:

these days, any phones you find are third party rip-offs, they typically have a regular restricted POTS line entering a computerized phone, easy enough to just tap into the incoming line and make free calls.

please continue. I want to hear more about this.


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said by ArrayList:


I could care less how much it costs if they have been getting subsidized for services that they may or may not have ever provided.

They can suck it up and just keep the phone there.

Why? If no one is using it. Payback? Getting even with the man? Yes, that would be really productive.


battleop

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Why do you care about a pay phone that's in a town you will probably never visit?


battleop

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Since the payphone is operated by a 3rd party the LEC isn't going to terminate the POTS line into the payphone it's self. They will place a NID next to the payphone, very often at a height you can reach. All you need is a screwdriver or torx bit to open the NID and a buttset to make a call.
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Crookshanks

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Of course you're risking theft of service charges over a $0.50 phone call. Probably doubtful that you'd get caught but even so...

My favorite bit of telco "hacking" was when I was on an extended hike and discovered Cat3 lying on the ground. There was nearly three miles of the stuff, clipped together every so often. It ended in a junction box for buried cable. I followed the other end and discovered it also ended in a burial junction box. Naturally when I got home I had to get my buttset and drive back out there to see if there was dial tone on either of the pairs. Low and behold there was.

A friend of mine who works for Frontier noticed the pictures I put up on FB and checked it out for me. Come to find out a 25 pair segment of buried cable failed and they left the Cat3 lying on the ground next to the road to provide dial tone service for the ONE customer that had a phone on that road. I wonder if they ever fixed that buried cable or if the Cat3 is still there?


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reply to FFH5
Checking the coin box? How many trips out there did they make to collect $3.35 in change? Wouldn't you *know* how much money was in a coin box as well and schedule your trips accordingly? (OK, maybe this technology is too old for something like that.)

But ~$1500 to maintain is definitely the reason large corporations don't pay taxes. There's no way this actually cost them this much but I'm sure that's what they're writing off as an expense thanks to creative accounting and favorable tax loopholes.

Edit: Still they should just get rid of this thing.


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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

said by ArrayList:


I could care less how much it costs if they have been getting subsidized for services that they may or may not have ever provided.

They can suck it up and just keep the phone there.

Why? If no one is using it. Payback? Getting even with the man? Yes, that would be really productive.

No. They are being paid for it. Either way they are going to get the subsidy, they should provide the phone.


ArrayList
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reply to battleop
Are you trying to imply that I'm selfish enough to not care about the citizens of Podunk, Nebraska?

Desdinova
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reply to FFH5
"paying for dial tones, surcharges, fees, taxes and phone books"

Hmmm. How much for a dial tone? What does that involve? What surcharges and who's charging them? Is the phone company billing itself for these? Same questions for the "fees". What fees? To whom? For how much? Same for the taxes. What taxes? How much? State? Federal? Local? One phone book a year is probably pretty inexpensive, even if they occasionally get stolen (which I suspect is not the case).

Based on the long history of fraud and abusive billing practices on the part of the telco industry, I confess to being overly suspicious of any claim that they make. $1469 is a pretty specific amount which suggests that someone has done the math on a per cost basis. It seems to me that they'd have a bit more credibility for their case if they'd release the actual numbers and sources. But as it stands right now, in my eyes, their vagueness undermines their claim.

I won't even get into how we have only their word that it was only $3.35 in revenue. Once again, considering their deceptive history, it could be earning a lot more than that and they're misreporting the numbers to support their position (but there's no direct evidence for that and it's only speculation).


FFH5
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said by Desdinova:

Once again, considering their deceptive history, it could be earning a lot more than that and they're misreporting the numbers to support their position (but there's no direct evidence for that and it's only speculation).

And what makes you think K & M Telephone Company has a history of being deceptive? This isn't Verizon or AT&T here.

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said by nothing00:

But ~$1500 to maintain is definitely the reason large corporations don't pay taxes.

OT, but large corporations do pay taxes. One might argue that they shouldn't

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said by Desdinova:

I won't even get into how we have only their word that it was only $3.35 in revenue.

You can always ask K&M to look at their audited books if you'd like.

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reply to thegeek
According to the article, the ~$1500/yr covers two payphones separated by around 25 minutes of travel time.

said by Journalstar.com :

The two pay phones generated a total of $19.58 in 2011, with less than half of that coming in as quarters and dimes for local calls. Long-distance carriers paid the rest.

The company told the commission it spent $1,469 maintaining them that same year. That includes checking the coin boxes, repairing damage and paying for dial tones, surcharges, fees, taxes and phone books, Woods said.

In all, a $1,450 hit.



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openbox9
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reply to ArrayList
What is the company getting paid? What's the subsidy for this one unused, unneeded phone?


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said by openbox9:

What is the company getting paid? What's the subsidy for this one unused, unneeded phone?

quote:
K & M isn't alone since Nebraska's Public Service Commission requires each town in the State to have at least one 24-hour public pay phone. While the companies probably don't like eating these costs, the source article omits the fact that most of these telcos (small and large alike) have been subsidized billions for years for services they may -- or may have not -- ever actually provided
it was conveniently left out of the article.


ArrayList
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reply to openbox9
I'd be curious to see how much they cost to maintain over 5 years.

any individual repair on the devices can be costly. If they need frequent repairs, they may have a problem with the repairman.

openbox9
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You're right, Karl Bode See Profile conveniently didn't quantify his opinion.

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said by ArrayList:

If they need frequent repairs, they may have a problem with the repairman.

Or the equipment may be antiquated, kind of like this requirement for a payphone. Regardless of the cost, the fact that one phone had, at best, six calls placed over the course of 365 days, is wasteful. With today's technology and availability, this standing requirement for unused payphones is ridiculous.


deeeer

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said by FFH5:

said by Desdinova:

Once again, considering their deceptive history, it could be earning a lot more than that and they're misreporting the numbers to support their position (but there's no direct evidence for that and it's only speculation).

And what makes you think K & M Telephone Company has a history of being deceptive? This isn't Verizon or AT&T here.

Now, now. Karl has an axe to grind and your messing it up. He linked his own op-ed as his supporting article to show his statement as fact.


deeer1

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said by ArrayList:

I'd be curious to see how much they cost to maintain over 5 years.

any individual repair on the devices can be costly. If they need frequent repairs, they may have a problem with the repairman.

You would be surprised how many handsets have to be replaced due to someone feeling the need to tear them off the phone.

I have seen many that the armadillo cord was cut with shears just to remove the handset. It is not about the repairman not doing his job, it is about people destroying stuff that is not theirs.


IllIlIlllIll
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rip it out, take the coins and cash the metal at a local recycle joint -


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battleop

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reply to ArrayList
I'll be honest. I don't care about what's going on in Podunk, Nebraska.

BiggA

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reply to deeeer
LOL. That and who cares? Considering people made 13 phone calls all year, I don't think anyone cares about it.


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said by openbox9:

You're right, Karl Bode See Profile conveniently didn't quantify his opinion.

And yet we all continue to eat it up.