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FFH5
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
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reply to thegeek

Re: $1500?

said by thegeek:

how the hell does it cost that much to have a phone that just sits there unused?

From the linked story:
quote:
The company told the commission it spent $1,469 maintaining them that same year. That includes checking the coin boxes, repairing damage and paying for dial tones, surcharges, fees, taxes and phone books, Woods said.


nothing00

join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY

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Checking the coin box? How many trips out there did they make to collect $3.35 in change? Wouldn't you *know* how much money was in a coin box as well and schedule your trips accordingly? (OK, maybe this technology is too old for something like that.)

But ~$1500 to maintain is definitely the reason large corporations don't pay taxes. There's no way this actually cost them this much but I'm sure that's what they're writing off as an expense thanks to creative accounting and favorable tax loopholes.

Edit: Still they should just get rid of this thing.

Desdinova
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join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD
reply to FFH5
"paying for dial tones, surcharges, fees, taxes and phone books"

Hmmm. How much for a dial tone? What does that involve? What surcharges and who's charging them? Is the phone company billing itself for these? Same questions for the "fees". What fees? To whom? For how much? Same for the taxes. What taxes? How much? State? Federal? Local? One phone book a year is probably pretty inexpensive, even if they occasionally get stolen (which I suspect is not the case).

Based on the long history of fraud and abusive billing practices on the part of the telco industry, I confess to being overly suspicious of any claim that they make. $1469 is a pretty specific amount which suggests that someone has done the math on a per cost basis. It seems to me that they'd have a bit more credibility for their case if they'd release the actual numbers and sources. But as it stands right now, in my eyes, their vagueness undermines their claim.

I won't even get into how we have only their word that it was only $3.35 in revenue. Once again, considering their deceptive history, it could be earning a lot more than that and they're misreporting the numbers to support their position (but there's no direct evidence for that and it's only speculation).


FFH5
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said by Desdinova:

Once again, considering their deceptive history, it could be earning a lot more than that and they're misreporting the numbers to support their position (but there's no direct evidence for that and it's only speculation).

And what makes you think K & M Telephone Company has a history of being deceptive? This isn't Verizon or AT&T here.

openbox9
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reply to nothing00
said by nothing00:

But ~$1500 to maintain is definitely the reason large corporations don't pay taxes.

OT, but large corporations do pay taxes. One might argue that they shouldn't

openbox9
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Germany
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reply to Desdinova
said by Desdinova:

I won't even get into how we have only their word that it was only $3.35 in revenue.

You can always ask K&M to look at their audited books if you'd like.


deeeer

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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

said by Desdinova:

Once again, considering their deceptive history, it could be earning a lot more than that and they're misreporting the numbers to support their position (but there's no direct evidence for that and it's only speculation).

And what makes you think K & M Telephone Company has a history of being deceptive? This isn't Verizon or AT&T here.

Now, now. Karl has an axe to grind and your messing it up. He linked his own op-ed as his supporting article to show his statement as fact.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
LOL. That and who cares? Considering people made 13 phone calls all year, I don't think anyone cares about it.
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elray

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reply to nothing00

Re: $1500?

said by nothing00:

Checking the coin box? How many trips out there did they make to collect $3.35 in change? Wouldn't you *know* how much money was in a coin box as well and schedule your trips accordingly? (OK, maybe this technology is too old for something like that.)

But ~$1500 to maintain is definitely the reason large corporations don't pay taxes. There's no way this actually cost them this much but I'm sure that's what they're writing off as an expense thanks to creative accounting and favorable tax loopholes.

Large corporations do pay taxes. Not that they should.

You obviously have never been required to maintain a public facility, be it a drinking fountain, restroom, bus shelter, trash receptacle, parking, lighting, fire protection, alarms, vending machines, or payphones. Public / commons facilities are always vandalized, and they cost real money to repair or replace.

Desdinova
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Gaithersburg, MD
reply to FFH5
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the overall perceptions of the telco industry (in what I perceive to be most folks' opinion) and not K & M Telephone Company specifically. I have no specific reason to accuse them; it's simply a kneejerk reaction to all representatives of the telco industry. Kinda like how the majority of people get nervous when they see a cop in their rear view mirror; you'll go into a defensive mode (check speed, maybe do a quick mental inventory of how they've been driving over the past few miles to think if they might have done anything to attract their attention).

But I still think their position would be more sympathetic if they could have tossed in those numbers when they mentioned the categories of cost.

Desdinova
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reply to openbox9
True. But that defeats the fun of being paranoid and seeing conspiracies everywhere.


Smith6612
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reply to FFH5
Nailed it. I've seen many Payphones that were taken out of service smashed by someone looking for money days after the phone stopped working and before the Telephone company came out to collect it. See the same thing in many locations if the phones haven't been removed. Someone just comes by and smashes the phone to try to get the cash. Then of course there are those who smash the pay phones to get back at Telephone companies.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
They could also just get vandalized or hit by a car or something. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot more than that in damage in a year to one of those things.


nothing00

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Centereach, NY

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reply to elray
Large corporations do pay taxes? Well, yeah, they file taxes. They don't pay nearly what they should having had loopholes written into the tax code for themselves. Take GE who "pays taxes" to the tune of $0 and in fact receives government money (that would be money that you and I pay in taxes to go directly to their shareholder's pockets) as subsidies.

But sure, they shouldn't pay taxes. Because they're the job creators. All of the low labor cost countries they're shipping jobs off to. And we pay them to do it. Wonderful.

As for the phone booth vandalism. Let's see the bill before assuming anything OK?