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LondonOntGuy

join:2004-05-12
London, ON
reply to caffeinator

Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security...

said by caffeinator:

Are you serious, or just not well?

Far as I know, that's the only way to search. That's what I hate mostly about 7. To me, it's clumsy and annoying. I like being able to pull up any folder and be able to search for a certain file in it or it's sub-folders.


caffeinator
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It isn't, but I'm not gonna confuse ya with DOS commands if you think that is the only way....C'mon....who actually searches often?

I know where my stuff is.
I have progs, pics, vids, downloads, etc all where I want them.

Do you not know how file folders work?

I have c:\tmp for downloads, c:\temp for extracted d/l's and chit i want to keep

Etc.

I make Windows do what *I* want.

Manage yer shit and you won't need to search. Define download dirs for yer browsers...know where files go. Do not DL to Desktop.

When I DO need to search for some obscure file, I use the BETTER search in Total Commander. It can search my entire C: in seconds.
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LondonOntGuy

join:2004-05-12
London, ON

Dude, I have 3 externals and my 1TB main HDD broken up into several smaller partitions. I know how to organize my shit, most of the time.

Maybe I'll just go to Ubuntu or some other variation of Linux after XP support is completely removed.



caffeinator
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I wasn't talking about partitioning or drives, but basic file folder usage and organization. I know where files are on 12yo HDD's or my Mom's computer over the phone...because I use a standard system that hasn't really changed since DOS 3.3.

I could boot up my Pentium 233MX from 1996 right now, and know where things are at. I have about 10 computers spanning over 30+ years of computing including a Macintosh LC 575 that works as good as the day it was made, I know nearly every file of mine on all of them.

I do hope you know GREP if you go *nix...


Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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reply to LondonOntGuy

Vista and Win 7 search are terrible. Neither of those OSes can find itself much less any obscure file (particularly a Windows file) you are looking for. Plus, I do not want any indexing done. I don't need indexing as I know where my personal files are. Pus, Vista and Win7 want to index the very files that I know EXACTLY where each is located. They don't want to index the files that possibly need indexing such as C:\Downloaded Programs.
If I am searching that folder, after my computer is a year or so old, it is gigantic and files there are not necessarily under the name of the program I installed. Plus, I do all Microsoft security patches manually and I check file versions listed in the Microsoft table before and after installing each patch and many of those are rather obscure Windows files that I don't know always where they are located. So, sometimes I need a good search program like the one in XP where I installed the W2000 search interface (got rid of the cartoony XP search GUI).

The third party search that I installed on Vista Ultimate, used on Win 7 beta, and will immediately install on my upcoming new computer is Agent Ransack. It is very fast and quite like W2000/XP search. Plus, it doesn't need to index to search quickly (thus does not need to run all the time which is a MAJOR PLUS) and it has the ability to search within files. It is free.

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dave
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reply to LondonOntGuy

Open Explorer, point to where you want to start searching, and type stuff into the search box.

One thing you might not have noticed (30 mins didn't seem to be long enough to read the info) is that the default is to use the disk index rather than beating the disk to hell reading every file. This is a laudable efficiency improvement -- the old simple-minded way doesn't really scale to today's disk sizes -- but doesn't always get what you want. You can configure that, though.


OZO
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Do you think indexing does something other, than "beating the disk to hell reading every file"? Or may be you know some other way to get info from a file without reading it?

Indexing is a common exchange between speed and size. With indexing you get better speed and loose your disk space. And the bigger HD size you have in your posession, the bigger space (and time) it takes to make that index database (obviously), which keeps info about all the files on that HD...

So, with indexing you trash your disk by "beating the disk to hell reading every file" that you're probably never going to search and your computer has to keep index database always updated (or it will keep deleted files, removed data from files, etc, making it useless) all the time, keeping your HD/CPU busy. So, pick up your poison...

Personally I prefer to use live search, but not the slow default windows search. I use two different (and very fast) tools - one to search a file by name, and another one to search data in files. Its two different tasks, thus two different tools.
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dave
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Man, you love to quibble, don't you.

The point of indexing is that it gets done when you're not waiting for the results. That's the tradeoff: do work ahead of time so you don't have to wait when you need the results.

"Trashing your disk" supposes that using a disk somehow causes it to die sooner.. unless this is a popular typo for "thrashing". And I'd characterise the live search as "thrashing".

I personally use live search too - findstr from the command line for content, dir from the command line for naming. But my preferences don't mean that indexing is a technology that has no place.


Mele20
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There is nothing else one can do on their computer while search takes place? That's odd. I always have a bunch of things to do while searching. Computers do multitasking you know.
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