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IowaCowboy
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reply to telcodad

Re: [STB] Cisco thinking of getting out of the set-top box busin

I think the Cisco/SA boxes are junk anyways. Another cable provider (Time Warner) stopped buying the Cisco hardware and now buys Samsung set-tops and Ubee Modems.


rv65
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Time Warner is still purchasing Cisco cable boxes.


cypherstream
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reply to IowaCowboy
said by IowaCowboy:

I think the Cisco/SA boxes are junk anyways. Another cable provider (Time Warner) stopped buying the Cisco hardware and now buys Samsung set-tops and Ubee Modems.

My inlaws have blue ridge cable. The ubee wireless d3 modem gateway is junk. Constantly have a hard time getting on the wifi and it disconnects. DNS lookups will fail and pings just stop. The only thing that you can access is the internal gui and theres nothing to setup but the channel. The cable provider sets the wpa2 key and you cant change it! You can't even firmware update it. GARBAGE.

On the other hand their Cisco HDC 8610 or whatever it is (the black dvr) is alright. Its the fastest channel changing set top box I ever used (and I used Moto, SA, DirecTV, Dish Network). It even has PIP and high color graphics. ForthWall Media has some interactive news, weather, and sports apps on it, plus theres on screen games. They run the Passport Echo firmware. pretty nice but the only problem is every time I'm up there I catch them watching the lower channel numbers! Why do they pay for HD service if they don't learn the right numbers! Thats why I like my DirecTV. If it's broadcast in HD, type in the channel number and see it in HD. No extra lineup to memorize or complicate the GUI.

Really it all depends what firmware is put on these things. You prolly have good firmware on the Ubee you seen. Well they have firmware from 2007 on it and I cant get it changed. You prolly have crap firmware on the Cisco box you used. Well Passport Echo is a whole new world. Best Cable UI considering it still doesn't take advantage of the 16:9 screen area. Graphics are smooth along with cool effects (fades, scrolling, etc), and it runs real fast. Even the SDV channels tuned in real fast. I hear TWC Navigator is slow, so of course its going to make the box look like junk. Put DOS 5.1 on an Alienware computer and its junk too.


telcodad
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reply to IowaCowboy
I have Cisco RNG100 SD and RNG150 HD STBs and they are working fine for me.

Unlike earlier SA boxes, the Cisco RNG series of STBs/DVRs have enough memory and CPU power to run the new On-Screen Guide 2.0.


telcodad
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said by rv65:

Time Warner is still purchasing Cisco cable boxes.

For now. At this week's Cable Show, TWC's Chairman and CEO said he sees cable boxes going away eventially:

TWC CEO Heaps More Dirt on the Set-Top Box
Light Reading Cable - May 22, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···lr_cable

ajwees41
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that's only one mans opinion and what would the old tv's use or how much would the technology add to the tv?


telcodad
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Yes, just the same way that DTAs are given out today so people with older analog-only TVs can still receive service once their system goes all-digital.

Just like with the analog-to-digital migration, I envision a time when there will be gradual reductions in digital video QAM carriers while video service starts moving to IP QAM ones. A similar "IP Transport Adapter" (IPTA?) device would then need to be provided, once systems go all-IP transport, for use with non-IP TVs.

People will still be renting STBs for a while until all those old non-IP TVs disappear in the far future.

Happydude32
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reply to IowaCowboy
said by IowaCowboy:

I think the Cisco/SA boxes are junk anyways. Another cable provider (Time Warner) stopped buying the Cisco hardware and now buys Samsung set-tops and Ubee Modems.

Where did you get that very incorrect information from?

Time Warner (and Brighthouse) are both handing out the newly released Cisco 8742HDC HD DVRs and 4742HDC HD set top terminals in quite a few areas. The Samsungs have taken a backseat. To my knowledge, TW never handed out real Cisco modems. All of the modems they handed out where Scientific Atlantic models from before Cisco bought them. For modems, TW hands out both UBee and Motorola D3 modems and possibly Arris. Last week when I was at Time Warners main headend in Rochester a fresh shipment of some type of hardware from Arris came in but I couldnt tell what it was.
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said by Happydude32:

said by IowaCowboy:

I think the Cisco/SA boxes are junk anyways. Another cable provider (Time Warner) stopped buying the Cisco hardware and now buys Samsung set-tops and Ubee Modems.

Where did you get that very incorrect information from?

Time Warner (and Brighthouse) are both handing out the newly released Cisco 8742HDC HD DVRs and 4742HDC HD set top terminals in quite a few areas. The Samsungs have taken a backseat. To my knowledge, TW never handed out real Cisco modems. All of the modems they handed out where Scientific Atlantic models from before Cisco bought them. For modems, TW hands out both UBee and Motorola D3 modems and possibly Arris. Last week when I was at Time Warners main headend in Rochester a fresh shipment of some type of hardware from Arris came in but I couldnt tell what it was.

I have Comcast at my home in Springfield, MA (which uses Motorola) and I travel quite frequently to my Grandmother's home in Biddeford, Maine (which is Time Warner turf and they are on a SA/Cisco platform). I had to swap out an SA Explorer 2100 (which died on us) and they gave me one of the new Samsung HD boxes. Also I was finally able to swap out that piece of junk DPC 2203 for a brand new Ubee EMTA complete with battery. Grandma is currently staying at our house right now while she recovers from an illness and she is getting spoiled with my TiVo premiere DVRs that I have on my Comcast connection.


motorola870

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reply to Happydude32
said by Happydude32:

said by IowaCowboy:

I think the Cisco/SA boxes are junk anyways. Another cable provider (Time Warner) stopped buying the Cisco hardware and now buys Samsung set-tops and Ubee Modems.

Where did you get that very incorrect information from?

Time Warner (and Brighthouse) are both handing out the newly released Cisco 8742HDC HD DVRs and 4742HDC HD set top terminals in quite a few areas. The Samsungs have taken a backseat. To my knowledge, TW never handed out real Cisco modems. All of the modems they handed out where Scientific Atlantic models from before Cisco bought them. For modems, TW hands out both UBee and Motorola D3 modems and possibly Arris. Last week when I was at Time Warners main headend in Rochester a fresh shipment of some type of hardware from Arris came in but I couldnt tell what it was.

Here in North Texas TWC issues Motorola, Samsung, and Cisco boxes with ODN now using ADSG and motorola cable cards.


rv65
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reply to Happydude32
TWC is still purchasing Samsung boxes as well as Motorola boxes for SA areas.


cypherstream
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reply to motorola870
What kind of tuning adapters do they use? Cisco? Did they out the updated firmware on it to handle more than 2 streams?

GTFan

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reply to telcodad
said by telcodad:

said by rv65:

Time Warner is still purchasing Cisco cable boxes.

For now. At this week's Cable Show, TWC's Chairman and CEO said he sees cable boxes going away eventially:

TWC CEO Heaps More Dirt on the Set-Top Box
Light Reading Cable - May 22, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···lr_cable

Gee, that's interesting. From the article:

BOSTON -- The Cable Show -- CNN's Erin Burnett got right to the point at Monday's general session here when she asked Time Warner Cable Inc. (NYSE: TWC) Chairman and CEO Glenn Britt if the set-top box is ever going to go away. Britt's answer? Yes.

"What's happening is pretty simple. The world is coalescing around IP standards, and all devices are being made to those standards … and that's the future," said Britt, noting that core set-top box functions continue to be integrated in TVs and other connected video devices.

In other words, Britt doesn't want to be tied to traditional, proprietary set-top technology anymore, and he doesn't think the industry as a whole should remain wedded to it either.


Oh really? And what open IP standards would there be for cable IPTV delivery? If you're such a big fan, why don't you back FCC's AllVid proposal and get out of the STB rental business?