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firephoto
We the people
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join:2003-03-18
Brewster, WA

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reply to Skippy25

Re: Surely the lobbyist money is much more than 30k

And the SuperPACs will get stronger in a Rmoney's Amercia.



Squire James

@embarqhsd.net

Like they got any weaker under 4 years of Obama... remember the Dems had control of both houses of Congress (filibuster-proof even) and the Presidency for 2 years and they did nothing to shut them down! The Republicans had the same 2 years back in 2000 (but not the filibuster-proof Senate, so the Dems could STILL have stopped it), and they started those rules in the first place.

Plenty of guilt to spread around here... both sides wants the money!


puck0114

join:2005-12-24
Portland, OR
reply to firephoto

God willing and the creeks don't rise, there will be no "Romney's America."


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

2 recommendations

reply to Squire James

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
Frederic Bastiat

A good article on who to blame:

By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.. The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House now? He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it's because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan ...

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses. Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!


Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
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The problem I have with this mantra, typically from the right, is that whenever a Republican politician they 'elected' votes poorly or against their interests, they do not get angry at them - oh no. Instead, they just blame all of government.

The beauty of a democratic government and the internet is that your elected officials voting record is there for all to see. Instead of just treating politics like picking your sports team or favorite driver for life, why not actually pick the candidate that represents your interests?

Voting everyone out for the sake of it is precisely why we got the do nothing block everything TEAnutters.


Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
·Callcentric
reply to Squire James

That's not correct at all. During the 2 years the Democrats had control of the senate, they never had the 60 votes required.

The GOP had control of congress from 1995 to 2007. Therefore, GWB, had total control a full 7 years. Whereas, Obama had less than 2 years and was tackling the worst economy handed to any president since the Great Depression.

That's what's such a joke with the Republicans now trying to claim it's all Obama's fault. As if he was handed some sound economy, with surpluses, and no wars but apparently just ruined it.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to Telco

I would agree, I think party line voters are just lazy people.

Point still stands - they (maybe not all) are the problem.


Telco

join:2008-12-19

Career Politicians are definitely the problem.

We also need a separation of corporation and state.



Snakeoil
Ignore Button. The coward's feature.
Premium
join:2000-08-05
Mentor, OH
kudos:1

quote:
We also need a separation of corporation and state

I seconded it.


cork1958
Cork
Premium
join:2000-02-26
reply to Squire James

said by Squire James :

Like they got any weaker under 4 years of Obama... remember the Dems had control of both houses of Congress (filibuster-proof even) and the Presidency for 2 years and they did nothing to shut them down! The Republicans had the same 2 years back in 2000 (but not the filibuster-proof Senate, so the Dems could STILL have stopped it), and they started those rules in the first place.

Plenty of guilt to spread around here... both sides wants the money!

The 2 lines that are especially dead on are thses:
"remember the Dems had control of both houses of Congress (filibuster-proof even) and the Presidency for 2 years and they did nothing" and "Plenty of guilt to spread around here... both sides wants the money"

I can't really remember the last time they did anything anyway!
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Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to Telco

Career Politicians are only allowed to have that as a career because the general voting population is too stupid to change that.