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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
Ottawa
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reply to 04193189

Re: [DSL] attn Rocky .. TekSavvy & Bell PROBLEMS

Internet is not an essential service in the legal sense.

Terms of service from the incumbents will inform you in no uncertain terms that no guarantees as to the quality and performance of the service are given. At one time if you read Rogers ToS, you'd realize that all they had to do was put a cable into your house and provide a modem. It didn't have to actually WORK!

Look at the articles on the DSLR news page about Verizon actually INCREASING the price of basic FIOS 15/15 service to over $65 per month, bundled with a contract committment. Canadian carriers look far more closely at the US than elsewhere in the world in terms of "What will people pay us" as we rip them off.

TekSavvy like many ISPs are not an end to end ISP service. Even the once great AOL doesn't provide end to end ISP service. They purchase local loop service for their customers from incumbent last mile providers who have pretty much free rein in controlling the conditions and how they respond to problems etc.

You don't like TekSavvy's service then you can always go to the incumbents like Bell or Rogers etc and pay more and particularly in the case of Bell, still get the same degraded service, low speeds etc.

It's the same elsewhere ... in the US, the 3rd party ISP industry has gone away, because the incumbents convinced lawmakers to bring the legal requirement to offer it to an end.

It's not a good situation, but hey, it could be worse ... there could be a no competition at all, and knowing our incumbent carriers they'd be in a position where they'd milk the existing technology even further and continue to jack up the rates to astronomical sums.



Galts Ghost

@teksavvy.com

I worry that when/or if, people return to incumbents the service issues magically go away - even though the last mile is common.

I might have tin-foil-hat-syndrome, but I think the problems are, at times, deliberately inflicted on Third Party customers.

I moved my father to Teksavvy from Bell about 12 months ago. Since then, almost all the classic issues appeared - jerky video, random disconnects, poor streaming.

He eventually returned to Bell, and all the problems ended.

Maybe the incumbents will, just like with throttling, eventually come clean and say they disadvantaged their competition. By then, what's left?


04193189

join:2012-06-18
Kitchener, ON
reply to sbrook

Thank you sbrook,
FYI ... "legal sense" doesn't apply here as "civil" and "common law" have been mentioned. It also means this thread is a matter of public record and may not be tampered with.

BTW ... according to Constitution Act, section 32 clearly states it's for Government employees only. It excludes everyone else by specifically not mentioning them. What proof do you have I'm an employee of Government?
»laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/FullText.html
"32. (1) This Charter applies
(a) to the Parliament and government of Canada ..."
Therefore all non Government men and women fall under common law.

With all due respect, my post is specifically for Rocky to answer comprehensively in a public forum. As his TekSavvy forum is not accessible at the moment, for whatever reasons, this is the next best thing.
And, I do not need the usual excuses which have been predominating for last 3 yrs. Thank you.

As far as I/we have investigated Bell infrastructure is paid for and still owned by the people. Bell and others are only the caretaker of such. And so 40% of profits is supposed to go to the people.

In any case, I'm looking for solutions instead of conflict.

Note: Galts Ghost .. you're getting the jest of it.
... and thanks for the addition.



sbrook
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2 edits

> "FYI ... "legal sense" ..."

Sorry, no ... this thread is on a forum on privately held computer located in the United States and available for public view. It is not a matter of public record. DSLReports has every right to do exactly what it wants with it. When you joined DSLReports you were pointed to pages which state this quite clearly. The Consititutions of Canada and the USA have nothing whatsoever to do with that scenario.

In this post, you seem more concerned about the fate of this thread and some right you have to be heard than to do with the actual problems with ISPs in Canada. Where did you get the idea that I thought you were a gov't employee?

Moreover, your reading of the Constitution Act of 1982 is flawed. What you have read is that Charter applies to the Parliament and Government of Canada ... which essentially means that Parliament shall not create laws and the Government shall not enact regulations derived from those laws that violate the charter. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the application of laws either as written or common law.

You posted in a publicly visible forum in which people are free to respond to your comments, and not just the intended recipients. Even if you had written it as an "Open Letter to Rocky of TekSavvy", it would still be open to comments by others. That's the very nature of DSLReports. If you wanted to vent in a closed medium, you might send a letter to an editor at a newspaper, although even that doesn't guarantee no replies, the nature of the LTTE process reduces that! If you wanted a private vent, then you could have sent him an email.

So, that you might get comments is something you might have considered before posting your vent.

I was just stating the reality of the situation. And the poster who suggested the way to solve these problems is to contact the Minister of Industry is right. You seem to believe that you as an individual control government ... well, here's your chance. But I have to say, that the last time I looked, the way we control our government is by the electoral process. Once they are elected, particularly in a majority government, they seem to have the ability to do what they please, even attempting to violate the Constitution and Charter. Thank goodness the Government and Judiciary are at least somewhat independent of each other.

For someone who has supposedly studied law, you sound very confused. Much like the people in the US who believe that when your name on official documents is all capitals, then that is not you, or who believe there's a difference between the US flag with and without a border ... all things that make them immune to the wrath of the taxman.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH

Private computer or not if the US Gov't wanted something off this board- the only thing they'd have to do is issue a court order and Justin/Karl would be required to comply. If not- In America- website could go blank. And we all know who has the biggest pockets between the 2.



Kardinal
Dei Gratia Regina
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reply to 04193189

said by 04193189:

Note: Galts Ghost .. you're getting the jest of it.

Aha! So this is a joke; I wasn't sure until you said so.

Good luck on a rant becoming a place where JGROCKY See Profile will "specifically and comprehensively" answer a lot misconceptions and information that isn't correct (and wishing it was doesn't make it so) as everything you mention has been addressed to death on previous occasions in this very forum. I realize you are a new member, but you might like to take some time to read some of the thousands of threads, especially those that are more than a year or two old, as most of the 'questions' have been answered there.
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All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars

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rogerssmoger

@start.ca
reply to 04193189

FYI ... "legal sense" doesn't apply here as "civil" and "common law" have been mentioned. It also means this thread is a matter of public record and may not be tampered with.

--- You didn't read the TOS of this PRIVATE website did you that does not fall under Canadian Laws. Ohh and civil and common law being mentioned means nothing.

With all due respect, my post is specifically for Rocky to answer comprehensively in a public forum. As his TekSavvy forum is not accessible at the moment, for whatever reasons, this is the next best thing.
And, I do not need the usual excuses which have been predominating for last 3 yrs. Thank you.

-- If you wish only Rocky to see and Rocky to respond then email him privately.

As far as I/we have investigated Bell infrastructure is paid for and still owned by the people. Bell and others are only the caretaker of such. And so 40% of profits is supposed to go to the people.

-- Provide Proof To This


04193189

join:2012-06-18
Kitchener, ON
reply to sbrook

I'm not here to get into a contest about differences between commercial and common law, nor am I here to entertain people's particular spins. Laws are laws.
Anyone has a problem in that respect they can go see a lawyer, attorney, priest, guru or whomever is fluent in laws.

It's a matter of public record now as over 700 views and possible copies, including ones that have been censored .. which are probably recorded by those censored. I don't appreciate my lawful comments being throttled / hidden from view. Thank you.

Fact: This site provides a public service, therefore it's a servant and is obligated to keep records according to backup standards ... hourly, daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly and yearly for it's and users protection.

Are you being a moderator or censor with your spin of "In this post, you seem more concerned about the fate of this thread and some right you have to be heard than to do with the actual problems with ISPs in Canada." and others?
It makes many wonder what you're hiding and what agenda you're promoting on here.

If I wanted to contact Rocky some other way then I would have done so long ago.

I repeat ... This is about open communication with Rocky to solve situations and problems, as per agreement with TekSavvy staff.
Or is this not a TekSavvy forum?

Or are you ready to answer under full commercial liability?

Therefore sbrook, please keep my comments/posts and those of relevance visible and unedited. You don't know the extent or depth of these matters nor where they may lead so I/we would appreciate you wait til such time as Rocky and I are done our discussion.

Expand your moderator at work