 Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | reply to Jon
Re: What the home insecptor found... said by Jon:You're not allowed to use Romex in IL. Everything has to be in conduit. It sucks. Someones family member probably owns a conduit factory.
No it the result of Unions influencing building requirements. Romex is fine and used everywhere the Unions have not colluded with local officials to ban it making work for them at extra expense for the builder and buyers. If Romex is not safe in IL then it's not safe anywhere. Perhaps the NEC should not allow it. |
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| said by Jack_in_VA:said by Jon:You're not allowed to use Romex in IL. Everything has to be in conduit. It sucks. Someones family member probably owns a conduit factory.
No it the result of Unions influencing building requirements. Romex is fine and used everywhere the Unions have not colluded with local officials to ban it making work for them at extra expense for the builder and buyers. If Romex is not safe in IL then it's not safe anywhere. Perhaps the NEC should not allow it. I heard the unions were also to blame for the heat wave that we've been experiencing and for the upcoming harsh winter 
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join:2001-01-20
Lisle, IL | reply to Jack_in_VA
I'm sure it's safe. Just stating the fact that you can't use it here. Well, I suppose you can but you have to run it through conduit so it's kind of pointless. |
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | said by Jon:I'm sure it's safe. Just stating the fact that you can't use it here. Well, I suppose you can but you have to run it through conduit so it's kind of pointless.
Requiring conduit in a residential home is what's pointless. Either Romex is safe or it's not. |
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 Lurch77Premium
join:2001-11-22
Oconto, WI
kudos:4 | reply to Jack_in_VA
said by Jack_in_VA:said by Jon:You're not allowed to use Romex in IL. Everything has to be in conduit. It sucks. Someones family member probably owns a conduit factory.
No it the result of Unions influencing building requirements. Romex is fine and used everywhere the Unions have not colluded with local officials to ban it making work for them at extra expense for the builder and buyers. If Romex is not safe in IL then it's not safe anywhere. Perhaps the NEC should not allow it. Blame them for everything. Unions make up roughly 7% of the private sector work force. I think you are using them as a scapegoat, like many people do. It is more like the electrical industry as a whole influencing things, instead, if this is the case. You neglect to mention the political influence of large non-union building trades organizations such as ABC. »www.abc.org/Government_Affairs/P···tee.aspx |
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
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Blame them for everything. Unions make up roughly 7% of the private sector work force. I think you are using them as a scapegoat, like many people do. It is more like the electrical industry as a whole influencing things
, instead, if this is the case. You neglect to mention the political influence of large non-union building trades organizations such as ABC. »www.abc.org/Government_Affairs/P···tee.aspx
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The purpose of ABC PAC is to work within the federal election process to further the goals of the association through direct involvement in supporting and opposing candidates for the Office of President, United States Senate and United States House of Representatives. This is accomplished through educating our members on the importance of political activism and through financial support of merit shop candidates.
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Lurch77Premium
join:2001-11-22
Oconto, WI
kudos:4 | They have, like national unions, local offices. And they petition political figures and entities the same way to get what they want. Trust me when I say the members of an organization like ABC will do whatever it takes to get more work, just like you say about the unions.
That aside, it bothers me when people make claims like you did without having any proof backing up the claim. WI is a very strong union state, as is Michigan. And there are many others. IL is the only one that has a no romex law, as far as I am aware. To say it is because of unions just seems like another anti-union person looking to blame them for yet something else. |
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iknowPremium
join:2012-03-25 | reply to Jack_in_VA
said by Jack_in_VA:said by Jon:I'm sure it's safe. Just stating the fact that you can't use it here. Well, I suppose you can but you have to run it through conduit so it's kind of pointless.
Requiring conduit in a residential home is what's pointless. Either Romex is safe or it's not. It was probably required before AFCI breakers were required. apparently, they are worried about a fire causing an electrical fire!. |
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | said by iknow:said by Jack_in_VA:said by Jon:I'm sure it's safe. Just stating the fact that you can't use it here. Well, I suppose you can but you have to run it through conduit so it's kind of pointless.
Requiring conduit in a residential home is what's pointless. Either Romex is safe or it's not. It was probably required before AFCI breakers were required. apparently, they are worried about a fire causing an electrical fire!. That doesn't answer the question. Either it's safe or it's not. The NEC deems it safe to use so there has to be another reason that "some" localities" ban it requiring conduit making an exception to the code. |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | NYC dosen't allow romex because supposedly rodents chew through and cause problems.
It depends on population density and preparedness. A house goes up in the sticks and that sucks. A structure catches fire in a major metropolitan center and look what happened in Chicago in 1871.
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 49528867Premium
join:2010-04-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
kudos:3 | reply to Jack_in_VA
said by Jack_in_VA:Romex is fine and used everywhere the Unions have not colluded with local officials to ban it making work for them at extra expense for the builder and buyers. If Romex is not safe in IL then it's not safe anywhere.
Romex is crap and should not be allowed in any form of construction, it provides a zero level of protection against mechanical damage which is why after its was allowed by the NEC subsequent editions of the NEC had to upgraded to include supplemental requirements for the protection of Romex such as sleeves and nail/kick plates to compensate for the discovered shortcomings of the then recently permitted Romex.
For what it is worth down here and without Union influence Romex is banned in any form of construction excepting residential units under three floors and or with an occupancy of four families or less, everything else requires the running of conduit.
Now some electricians love Romex as do trunk slammers and DIY’ers simply because of its ease of installation and the minimal level of skill required to install it, whereas utilizing conduit requires a few more tools and a rudimentary level of math to properly calculate the bends which is beyond the skill level of a few, very few so called electricians.
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Perhaps the NEC should not allow it.
Wayne
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
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1 edit | said by 49528867:said by Jack_in_VA:Romex is fine and used everywhere the Unions have not colluded with local officials to ban it making work for them at extra expense for the builder and buyers. If Romex is not safe in IL then it's not safe anywhere. Romex is crap and should not be allowed in any form of construction, it provides a zero level of protection against mechanical damage which is why after its was allowed by the NEC subsequent editions of the NEC had to upgraded to include supplemental requirements for the protection of Romex such as sleeves and nail/kick plates to compensate for the discovered shortcomings of the then recently permitted Romex. For what it is worth down here and without Union influence Romex is banned in any form of construction excepting residential units under three floors and or with an occupancy of four families or less, everything else requires the running of conduit. Now some electricians love Romex as do trunk slammers and DIY’ers simply because of its ease of installation and the minimal level of skill required to install it, whereas utilizing conduit requires a few more tools and a rudimentary level of math to properly calculate the bends which is beyond the skill level of a few, very few so called electricians. [att=1] . Perhaps the NEC should not allow it. It would be the right thing to do but one would never get it past those who lobbied to get into the code in the first place. Wayne Your "OPINION" is noted. However obviously it is not the majority opinion by the millions who safely install it and use it including regulatory authorities who approve its use except those influenced by other agendas. |
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AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | it is safe, but other methods are safer. |
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49528867Premium
join:2010-04-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
kudos:3 | reply to Jack_in_VA
said by Jack_in_VA:Requiring conduit in a residential home is what's pointless. Either Romex is safe or it's not. In some cases conduit is required to be used with Romex, for example under the SFBC in CBS construction if Romex is to be run on the inner side of the exterior wall between the drywall and the blocks it must be run in conduit for full mechanical protection.
The reason for this is the Romex between the drywall and the bock has no where to move as such something as simple as a homeowner hanging a picture on the wall and piercing the Romex has happened to the point the SFBC was upgraded to take into account the shortcomings of Romex.
Wayne
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