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MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
reply to anonanon

Re: Triple play upgrade pricing

Or could it be that OP DOES NOT WANT all those additional bullshit VOD channels that VZ shoves down your throat? Since CV gives you an option, you can order it if you want to. With VZ you have no choice!

Since OP had an option to order them but didn't, his channel selection is accurate to what he wants to receive and pay. So how the hell does OPs $185 $30 more than your $172?!?!?!
You are nothing but VZ's apologist and looking for every possible excuse to justify your own purchase to yourself and others. You are just looking for a psychological validation that your decision was good.

Why do bullshit taxes and fees matter?! Because VZ never ever advertises those amounts. Even when you place an order with them and ask phone drone, they will never tell you the exact accurate amount down to the penny on how much you will pay! They will give you approximate ballpark that is often $10 - $20 lower then your actual bill! They know your exact address and location, they know what specific taxes and fees apply to your account, yet they never able to tell it to you. It's intentional! They are hiding these below-the-line bullshit taxes and fees to make it extremely hard to make accurate comparison between services.
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anonanon

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Ok, so even if I don't want the On demand, $185 is still more than $172.

The point was you justify paying MORE MONEY to cablevision just to not see taxes and fees on your bill.

My point was who cares what the taxes and fees are as long as the price you pay out the door is less.

I can apply your own argument to you, that you are nothing but CV's apologist looking for every possible excuse to justify your own purchase (or lack of options). You are just looking for a psychological validation that you're being stuck with an inferior service is actually good.

If you are going to compare prices all I am saying is that the bottomline price is the only one a rational cost-conscious consumer cares about.

I think its ironic that your best argument is "I pay more money for less service but at least I don't have to pay taxes and fees"

And yes, I am quite satisfied saving my $13 per month, having a much better experience than CV's 1980's guide that looks like something from the days of MS-DOS, and I feel I have contributed something to my community because a portion of my taxes and fees went to my local state/county.

And yes I stand by my original assessment that I get $30 more value for VZ's version of their package vs the equivalent of CV's because I could compare VZ's Extreme HD package and add in the Premium's to match CV's package and still come in at $30 less. And yes that's with the BS taxes and fees. My comparison was that anyone could get a lot more for those $185 with VZ than you could with CV.

Alas for those unable to get VZ they simply find an excuse to justify why CV "MUST" be better.

Just a news flash, you'd be better off not having any loyalty to either company. To both VZ and CV you are nothing more than a number to expoit to line their pockets. If either of them really cared about YOU as a consumer, than they would let you keep your promotional rates, as I can't possibly believe that they lose money on the promotional rates, they just make less profit.



MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY

said by anonanon :

My point was who cares what the taxes and fees are as long as the price you pay out the door is less.

If you are going to compare prices all I am saying is that the bottomline price is the only one a rational cost-conscious consumer cares about.

Once again, VZ makes it extremely difficult, if not outright impossible without getting 1st bill, to accurately compare what your final below-the-line amount will be. They advertise one price, but when you get the actual bill it is always is much higher.
said by anonanon :

I can apply your own argument to you, that you are nothing but CV's apologist looking for every possible excuse to justify your own purchase (or lack of options). You are just looking for a psychological validation that you're being stuck with an inferior service is actually good.

except I don't go trolling VZ forums claiming that CV is better.

said by anonanon :

And yes, I am quite satisfied saving my $13 per month, having a much better experience than CV's 1980's guide that looks like something from the days of MS-DOS, and I feel I have contributed something to my community because a portion of my taxes and fees went to my local state/county.

yes, CV's tv guide is shit. Their inet service and phone are good. If you want to contribute to your community, do some real volunteer work or directly pay more taxes. If you think paying more taxes to VZ is helping your community you are delusional.

said by anonanon :

Just a news flash, you'd be better off not having any loyalty to either company. To both VZ and CV you are nothing more than a number to expoit to line their pockets. If either of them really cared about YOU as a consumer, than they would let you keep your promotional rates, as I can't possibly believe that they lose money on the promotional rates, they just make less profit.

100% agree with you here.
But if you read this forum in any amount you'd know that I have no loyalty to any telco/cableco/cellco.
I very much dislike CV's confusing billing methods. I hate what they recently did with all the TV packages. And I'm annoyed that CV is the only viable option I have.
I have no loyalty to CV just like they have no loyalty to me. If there's a better alternative available to me I won't blind an eye to switch or use every possible trick to get a better price.
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sff

join:1999-07-20
New Rochelle, NY

said by MxxCon:

Once again, VZ makes it extremely difficult, if not outright impossible without getting 1st bill, to accurately compare what your final below-the-line amount will be. They advertise one price, but when you get the actual bill it is always is much higher.

My brother had business double play, 3 lines of voice and internet from Cablevision. He switched to FIOS because the prices quoted would save him ~$30+ per month. When he got the first bill he was shocked. It was costing him $30+ more per month than Cablevision. Partly because of taxes, and partly because phone calls were only free on the first phone line. He was paying per minute on all of the other phone lines. Of course he switched back to Cablevision.


aannoonn

@optonline.net
reply to MxxCon

said by MxxCon:

Why do bullshit taxes and fees matter?!

What about CV's bullshit $80 fee to port a phone number to OV? It's $40 for the port, PLUS a mandatory $40 tech visit even if there's no wiring to be done.


Jackarino
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It's Verizon who charges for the number to be released



RickNY
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Farmingville, NY
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said by Jackarino:

It's Verizon who charges for the number to be released

Bull.. I ported a Verizon landline number to Sprint for no charge.. And then ported it to Google Voice for their $20 fee.


aannoonn

@optonline.net
reply to Jackarino

said by Jackarino:

It's Verizon who charges for the number to be released

That's a Cablevision CSR lie.

Still, you didn't answer the question of why CV charges a total of $80 to port a number.


Jackarino
YacCity
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Allendale, NJ
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reply to RickNY

CV told me that Verizon charges them.



aannoonn

@optonline.net

said by Jackarino:

CV told me that Verizon charges them.

CV lied to you.

TheWiseGuy
Dog And Butterfly
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join:2002-07-04
East Stroudsburg, PA
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reply to aannoonn

And Verizon early on charged every single customer a fee for setting up their porting system.

Discussed here 7 years ago.

»[Optimum Voice] Transfer of existing phone number possible yet?..

You can easily argue charging a customer that ports their number is fairer than charging every single customer since it allocates the costs to those who actually want to port their number. In any case the FCC does regulate how much can be charged

»www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/wireles···#howmuch

Are carriers allowed to charge for number porting, and, if so, how much can the charges be?

Companies may assess fees to recover the costs that they incur in providing number portability. Fees may vary between companies, and some companies may not charge any fees.
Companies may not refuse to port a number because a consumer has not paid for porting.
When considering a switch, consumers should ask the new company whether it charges any number portability fees and whether those fees can be waived.


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aannoonn

@optonline.net

That still doesn't excuse CV for lying to their own customers.



aannoonn

@optonline.net
reply to TheWiseGuy

P.S. The info you posted is for wireless local number portability, which is not what Rick nor I were talking about.


TheWiseGuy
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Actually if you read Bobcat79 See Profile's post in that thread you will see they had a fee for POTs and discontinued it Feb 2005, versus 2004 for the wireless charge.

»Re: [Optimum Voice] Transfer of existing phone number possible y
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MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY

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That brings back memory... I wonder what happened to that bobcat.
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aannoonn

@optonline.net

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So CV increased their bull---- porting fee by 33%.



Gunga Din
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Bellmore, NY
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reply to TheWiseGuy

LOL, Bobcat79 See Profile managed to find his way back here after his dollarcide during the wayback machine snafu on here where we were stuck in 2010. I never intended this thread to be a pissing match but must say it has been amusing.
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aannoonn

@optonline.net
reply to MxxCon

said by MxxCon:

That brings back memory... I wonder what happened to that bobcat.

It appears that the username will become available in 3 weeks.

JoeyS59

join:2002-09-01

Hey guys, figured I would reply in this thread instead of making a new one. Current FIOS customer looking to switch back to CV. Got the following offer from someone I talked to initially a few months ago.

3 Boxes (DVR's that store your content in the cloud? Sounds good enough)
TP, of course
HBO, Showtime, Starz, Encore
Kindle Fire (unfortunately, I was told they aren't offering the $200 GC anymore)

The 2 kickers that are really enticing were:

1) Porting fee ($40) waived.
2) Unlimited international calling to Costa Rica (where my family is from) included with OV (my eyes kinda widened at that)

This if for $130 with taxes. Think I might jump on this. Just wondering, has that ugly interface changed at all?



Jackarino
YacCity
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Allendale, NJ
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Boost+ Internet ?



aannoonn

@optonline.net
reply to JoeyS59

said by JoeyS59:

(DVR's that store your content in the cloud? Sounds good enough)

You'll be sorry. Everyone hates it. You'll wish you kept Fios.
said by JoeyS59:

TP, of course

What's that, toilet paper? Really, I don't know what you're talking about.
said by JoeyS59:

1) Porting fee ($40) waived.
2) Unlimited international calling to Costa Rica (where my family is from) included with OV (my eyes kinda widened at that)

I'd get both of these in writing. Everyone here says that porting fee is mandatory, and that unlimited calling only includes US, Canada, Puerto Rico, and the US Virgin Islands. Maybe the salesman thought that Costa Rica was part of Puerto Rico or the US VI. Don't be surprised if you end up paying an additional $20 per month and get only 250 minutes. See:
»www.optimum.com/home-phone-servi···call.jsp
and
»www.optimum.com/details.jsp?note···orldcall


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reply to JoeyS59

You have had both CV and Verizon, so you are in the best position to determine which is better for you. I think you will recognize CV as pretty much the same as when you left, although fewer people seem to have internet speed problems now with Docsis 3.

The "content in the cloud" sounds nice, but keep in mind it does not include pausing live tv - a feature we use a lot.
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reply to aannoonn

said by JoeyS59:

1) Porting fee ($40) waived.
Everyone here says that porting fee is mandatory

I was able to get my porting fee waived.