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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
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reply to 88615298

Re: So for semi-real internet in rual areas

Are you volunteering to start an ISP that offers something better than VZ+VZ=exede?


mmay149q
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said by iansltx:

Are you volunteering to start an ISP that offers something better than VZ+VZ=exede?

If I could get the funding, I more than certainly would, but I'd also be the major stock holder, and if the other stock holders didn't like what I had to say about how the company is run I'd attempt to buy them out and replace them with non-douchebags...

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said by mmay149q:

If I could get the funding, I more than certainly would, but I'd also be the major stock holder, and if the other stock holders didn't like what I had to say about how the company is run I'd attempt to buy them out and replace them with non-douchebags...

Matt

If you could get the funding? From where? A bank? And they would then own your butt. Guess what, people don't lend you money without expecting to be paid back and with interest. And they don't lend money without strings attached.

And the Venture Capitalists have even more strings than a bank.
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said by mmay149q:

... about how the company is run I'd attempt to buy them out and replace them with non-douchebags...

Matt

Or they might force you out and be a profitable and ongoing bunch of douchebags, but at least providing alternete service


mmay149q
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said by FFH5:

said by mmay149q:

If I could get the funding, I more than certainly would, but I'd also be the major stock holder, and if the other stock holders didn't like what I had to say about how the company is run I'd attempt to buy them out and replace them with non-douchebags...

Matt

If you could get the funding? From where? A bank? And they would then own your butt. Guess what, people don't lend you money without expecting to be paid back and with interest. And they don't lend money without strings attached.

And the Venture Capitalists have even more strings than a bank.

Yeah I already know that, and that's what negotiations are for while getting the funding, and etc, maybe negotiate a clause stating there will never caps on a hard line network, the network will be completely free and open with no traffic shaping for any one protocol should it be for or against the protocol.

And really, as much as I hate to say it (because I'd certainly hate for the ISP to fail) I'd hope that if I should get voted out, and this kind of mentality (horribly raping your customers when it makes no sense) became the norm for the company I helped build with that funding, that all the customers would leave and run them out of business, just like I wish consumers would do now, yes it would suck to not have internet for a while, but I literally wish there was a movement where people would just stop paying their bills/cancel their service with their ISP/TV plans for multiple months, that's the only way these investors and companies are going to learn to change their tactics...

See everyone believes the answer to these kind of crappy deals is to get the government involved because they always want to go the easy route without having to lose service or etc, but if American's would actually grow some balls and start cancelling their services immediately by the thousands until the company changed its position on the issue to something more consumer friendly (and continue doing this every time the company tried to implement the same thing in a different shiny new coat) most of the issues we face or gripe about today would be pretty much non-existant...

Anyway, it's not like I'd expect you or the real Mitt Romney to understand a free market if it slapped you in the face with a 2x4... in fact, it's supporters such as yourselves that have helped cause most of the problems we face today...

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mmay149q
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said by tshirt:

said by mmay149q:

... about how the company is run I'd attempt to buy them out and replace them with non-douchebags...

Matt

Or they might force you out and be a profitable and ongoing bunch of douchebags, but at least providing alternete service

It might put me in jail, but with the cash a CEO makes, hopefully I'd have enough money to run my own ad campaign offering customers a way out of the BS by me personally paying for their cancellation fee's and etc so the company completely fails... If the company can't compete and can't do it better than 90% of the other companies out there, it doesn't need to exist in my honest opinion...

Matt

P.S. Before you start telling me stuff like "I bet you'd say different once you had millions of dollars" I've turned down multiple jobs in the past offering double what I get paid currently because I didn't want to work in an atmosphere where I felt I needed to kill myself after 2 weeks of being there...
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I understand the dream of doing it better and cheaper too. but remember the CEO works for the stockholders under the direction of the board not the other way.
The CEO with the best envisioned plan on earth goes no where if hr/she can't convince that limited group that it is to the benefit of the investors.
Should you convince them the cost and risk is worth the PR and will benefit "the company" in the long term you will likely be allowed to proceed, FIOS as we know came from such a plan, technically brilliant, financially marginal so far, and somebody doesn't work there anymore.


88615298
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said by iansltx:

Are you volunteering to start an ISP that offers something better than VZ+VZ=exede?

I didn't say VZ+VZ=Excede. I said VZ+VZ+Excede=semi-normal internet.

Veriozn's Homefusion is better than Excede if you are comparing the two which I wasn't.


mmay149q
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said by tshirt:

I understand the dream of doing it better and cheaper too. but remember the CEO works for the stockholders under the direction of the board not the other way.
The CEO with the best envisioned plan on earth goes no where if hr/she can't convince that limited group that it is to the benefit of the investors.
Should you convince them the cost and risk is worth the PR and will benefit "the company" in the long term you will likely be allowed to proceed, FIOS as we know came from such a plan, technically brilliant, financially marginal so far, and somebody doesn't work there anymore.

Yeah and I understand that, and as a CEO I'd be trying to sell the stockholders on ideas like our own equivalent to Netflix, or something else for generating revenue and ROI, I wouldn't be trying to limit my consumers choice and etc, and I'd hope in this situation that I also wouldn't be having to deal with also have a Cable/Satelite/etc TV network so I wouldn't have to worry about "Oh well I'm trying to do this over the internet so I can't do this, this or that because it will compete with my TV business"

Or maybe even I'd attempt to convince the investors that we should build or partner with someone to build an alternate to TV the traditional way over the internet that still provides ease of use and a nice remote to hook to the TV to compete with ourselves and everyone else, really the possibilities are endless when you really think about it.

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iansltx

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reply to mmay149q
Got a business plan?

I only say this because I actually have a business plan sitting around for a wireless ISP that I built a little over a year ago. It's specific to my area though (central TX) and market research that I've done there, so it probably wouldn't help you any.

iansltx

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Sorry, shift key fail. Meant VZ+VZ+Exede.


mmay149q
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said by iansltx:

Got a business plan?

I only say this because I actually have a business plan sitting around for a wireless ISP that I built a little over a year ago. It's specific to my area though (central TX) and market research that I've done there, so it probably wouldn't help you any.

No I don't have a business plan, but I wouldn't mind creating one especially if I could find the investors, but if I did this then I'd want to start a new wireline only preferably complete FTTP network. My goal wouldn't be just to provide people with internet access with super fast download and upload speeds (Head on compete with FiOS on speeds and price) but to pretty much create a network that would completely replace the TV/Radio-Music/Movies content delivery system of today with a system for tomorrow.

I have a lot of dreams, if I can ever get the funding I'm positive I can make them work and make them something, however I'll probably never get the chance to implement these things in my lifetime, guess that's just how it goes though :/

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iansltx

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FTTP is cool, however you probably already know how much that sort of thing costs. How do you think the revenue, monthly, picture would look fot FTTP in the area you would want to deploy it, and how would that compare to the capex/opex of such a network?

Investors are investing for a rate of return of some sort, not just charity

To be clear, I have no intention of shooting such things down. It's just a question of whether you can get enough people signed up for enough money to make things work...particularly important if you don't want to do a traditional triple play.


mmay149q
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said by iansltx:

How do you think the revenue, monthly, picture would look fot FTTP in the area you would want to deploy it, and how would that compare to the capex/opex of such a network?

To be clear, I have no intention of shooting such things down. It's just a question of whether you can get enough people signed up for enough money to make things work...particularly important if you don't want to do a traditional triple play.

Actually, if I could get everything set to my goal of what I'd want to create, I'm pretty certain a lot of people would want to sign up, and not just for the ISP part of the service, but the part that replaces TV/Radio-Music/Movies as well, and even more (I have more ideas I'm just not willing to let them go in detail so that someone doesn't end up stealing them lol) but what I'm talking about creating would almost compete with just about everything on the internet today, in a new way that's easy for people to use, and convenient, as well as possibly even adding features people haven't even thought about yet.

I have a few things coming up that may actually provide me with a family member who has the money to backup what I'm trying to do here soon, so we'll just have to see where that goes, if so I'll probably be posting on here for beta testers and etc, but it's just going to take more time to talk to them about it and keep providing ideas.

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BiggA

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Right keep on dreaming. The fact is that when you get into content, you're not going to get the deals you want, and a small ISP can't get into content in any meaningful way anyways. And, unfortunately, fiber way out there isn't likely to make money. The exception is an area that's out there but not super far out there that is so underserved now that you'd get a large market share, unlike FIOS, which was put in relatively rich suburban areas that were already well served by cable, and full of dumb rich people who apparently don't realize that FIOS is so utterly superior in every way to cable.


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said by BiggA:

Right keep on dreaming. The fact is that when you get into content, you're not going to get the deals you want, and a small ISP can't get into content in any meaningful way anyways. And, unfortunately, fiber way out there isn't likely to make money. The exception is an area that's out there but not super far out there that is so underserved now that you'd get a large market share, unlike FIOS, which was put in relatively rich suburban areas that were already well served by cable, and full of dumb rich people who apparently don't realize that FIOS is so utterly superior in every way to cable.

You seem to think I would be getting into content like I'd be redistributing what's being currently made by the current producers, song writers, directors, screen play writers, etc, and that's not at all what I had in mind, but thanks for trying to kill my dream you didn't kill

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BiggA

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Then you're not going to have the content. You could be successful at small scale, but it won't replace traditional media, and not if you tie it to some sort of physical distribution medium.