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rasmasyean

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[TWC] Youtube 1080p stream DLing fast enough

Does anyone else have this problem? I check Speedtest.net and there's a lot of left over bandwidth, but usually the 1080p stream keeps buffering because it's not DLing fast enough. Sometimes even the 720p stream does this.

I know it's not a Youtube problem and it's supposed to work "smoothly", because at university computers, the 1080p stream fills up the bar in like seconds per minute of content.

I had the 10 Mbps and upgraded to 15 Mbps and there's no difference.


Jabbu
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1080p loads fine here.


Anonymous_
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reply to rasmasyean
how old is your computer?

dragonman300

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reply to rasmasyean
It IS Youtube problem. Go blame Google for not keeping up with their bandwidth


DelmarPip
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reply to rasmasyean
its a twc problem


djdanska
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reply to rasmasyean
It's a google problem. My tmo 4g is the only broadband i have that can stream youtube 1080p without a problem. I have issues on twc, comcast, rcn, mediacom, and cox. Been this way for years. I just end up downloading it at like 30Mb a sec vs. 16kb streaming.
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CptGemini
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reply to DelmarPip
to you everything is twc's fault wether is really is or not


rasmasyean

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reply to djdanska
I have a Core i7 / 8GB and a Core i5 / 4GB and they both have this issue.

djdanska,

Are you saying that google doesn't like cable companies or something? Why is that???

And what do you mean "downloading" 30 Mb/s vs "streaming" 16kbd? Are you saying that you use a youtube downloader of some sort and download the video file prior to playing it?


djdanska
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not sure if it's cable or not, iIdon't use dsl. My twc world stream at speeds as low as 16kb down but if i use a downloader app, i have no problem reaching full speeds. not sure why. turn on my WiFi hotspot on my amaze and it streams at 20Mb down. no clue.
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Smith6612
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reply to rasmasyean
It's a Google/YouTube problem. Here in Verizon land we see the same issues. Places that use less common ISPs or routes are most likely hitting better peering with Google and as a result are probably hitting less busy cache farms. Some places such as Universities if they're large enough also run their own YouTube caches for popular videos to stop traffic from eating up their Internet connections.

praetoralpha

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said by Smith6612:

It's a Google/YouTube problem. Here in Verizon land we see the same issues.

I agree. I, too, have had issues watching youtube 1080p for over a year (FIOS here). Maybe more if I remember correctly when I was on Comcast.


DelmarPip
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reply to rasmasyean
its a twc problem i know cuz i did alot of investigating and i found out its a twc problem


djdanska
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and Comcast, and at&t,and mediacom, and rcn, and others have the same exact issue.

starrbuck

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It's YouTube. I have different computers at different locations on different providers and YouTube is simply not able to push data fast enough.


djdanska
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Someone told me to try allowing the youtube ads in your adblock and it will go faster. Something about throttling users who block ads. I read it online, maybe try that?

To the op, try different dns servers. I generally use opendns but when that has issues, i can often use google dns or others and get faster speed. My RR dns was just about always bad.
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Smith6612
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It may help but I've not noticed it. I block ads and still pull 12MB/s when I'm on a capable enough connection


rasmasyean

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reply to Smith6612
There's actually a "local server" application that can cache Youtube videos? Is this something you have to partner with google to do? Can you just install it on your machine and cache videos that you "watch a lot" in your hard drive?


Smith6612
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I'm not entirely sure what they do in order to get a local cache. I have seen it done before in one of the technology universities/institutes nearby to me and YouTube flew there for popular videos.


rasmasyean

@rr.com
hmm...You know that would actually suck for content creators. Because if a video gets popular and gets hit like 10,000 times because all the students pass it arround, the creator might only get a few views out of it. :-/


The farm

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1 gbps right across the street from Google datacenter, and Youtube is still slow. It's Youtube.

sm0kiE

join:2002-01-05
San Gabriel, CA
My brother has Charter, 5 miles from my residence. Youtube streams 1080p there without any buffering.

Then I drive home to my Time Warner RR connection, same speed 20Mbps, but I can't even do 720p without buffering.

Even my Sprint 4G can stream without buffering.

Edit: I just want to mention I can stream Netflix, and other HD video websites just fine (including porn sites). Just not Youtube =(


Smith6612
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reply to rasmasyean
As far as I know the cache itself still reports back to YouTube. It runs on some sort of API.

The thing with YouTube seems to be the more popular videos get priority to the cache and often load faster. The least popular videos are typically very slow to load during peak hours. While I'm not near a Google Datacenter, often connections in my area whether it's Time Warner, Verizon, Frontier or even at work which is a datacenter sees issues. Work hardly sees speeds dip below 6MB/s to YouTube unless it's a very bad day for YouTube and the video is also not viewed often, but again I can't emphasize enough it's YouTube's issue, not Time Warner's. Each ISP is going to have a different route, different peering, and will hit different cache farms by default. Each cache farm will also have different videos in cache most likely (who knows how Google has that set up) based on what region they're serving up.

I will point out too, Time Warner seems to have two different routes they take for connections in my area. Some lines seem to emphesize towards routing through Chicago, and some seem to prefer going to Syracuse (and ultimately, New York City) while both ways take you to Rochester, NY first. Each connection sees the issue in a slightly different way, but it is there. I can tell if a connection prefers Chicago as those cable connections in my area score significantly less latency to my dedicated server in Chicago and a traceroute also gives it away assuming the RDNS is correct.

sm0kiE

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San Gabriel, CA
How do we complain about this or get it lifted? It's not like I stream movies all day or torrent. I just wanna watch youtube once in a while without buffering.


Smith6612
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Might want to try hitting up the Google forums. It seems when enough people complain on there about slow speeds it tends to get fixed. Either way, I don't really think Google has support for complaining to beyond that, at least that I'm aware of.

sm0kiE

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San Gabriel, CA
Are you sure it's google? Because I can load any 1080p movie on a Charter connection just fine...


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said by sm0kiE:

Are you sure it's google? Because I can load any 1080p movie on a Charter connection just fine...

Positive. There's a reason their community forums are stuffed with "YouTube Slow" posts and why other sites such as Vimeo work fine. If it were an ISP issue more stuff would be broken or slow than just YouTube itself. Considering how many properties Google owns that they have to run over their network and how heavily trafficked their sites are, YouTube puts a huge dent on their bandwidth. Google.com itself always runs quickly. Google Plus beats the snot out of Facebook in speed, yet, YouTube suffers in speed. If my ISP were at fault, all Google products would run horribly.

The Internet is a huge, complex machine...

normalfarm

join:2012-07-13
Actually its not YouTube. The real reason is the DNS server you use. When I switch to OpenDNS (208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220) or Google's Public DNS (8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4) YouTube loads videos quickly but once I use TWC DNS (209.18.47.61, 209.18.47.62) speeds are crap.

sm0kiE

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I don't use Time Warner DNS. I had google DNS on this computer and switched to openDNS recently. Still buffers =(

Also how come the same video plays 1080p on Charter and I drive to the TWC place and 5 min later the same video can only watch 480p without buffering? In fact it almost never buffers on Charter connection, but almost always buffers on TWC connection. You may be right, it's just this is what's bothering me.

One more thing, this might be my conspiracy theory but if you google up "Time Warner traffic shaping" it will suggest "Time Warner traffic shaping youtube" the same thing if you type "Time Warner throttle" you get a youtube suggestion too. This means a lot of people have searched for in order for it to become a suggestion right? But when I put in other cable providers it doesn't suggest youtube but instead says p2p.


rasmasyean

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reply to Smith6612
I guess the cache still reporting back to YouTube makes sense, cuz Google prolly wants to mazimize the number of Ads they can flip through.

OK, so when you're talking about "cache", you're presuming there's a Google Youtube datacenter cache, Cableco Yoututbe datacenter cache, Private Youtube Datacenter cache? So if your video is "not popular" in any one of those "waypoints", your outta luck...

How do you test the "speed to Youtube" by the way? So you have some type of application that tests that specific site?


Smith6612
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reply to sm0kiE
What would be the best thing to do in this case, since we can't seem to come to a conclusion would be to run a network monitoring program (or simply view your Browser's Status Bar should it show this info) to see what video farm and cache your video is being loaded from. There's a nifty trick I use to get around slow servers. Often times when videos are slow, I will begin to download the video. The URL to the download will begin as something like this:

»o-o.preferred.iad23t04.v1.cache4···layback?...

The URL itself can be random, however I find that by changing the numeric value for "v*" and "cache*" I can often go from a server loading at 80KB/s to one that will punch out megabytes a second. If you can do this, even if it takes two or three times it is absolutely not an ISP issue.

DNS servers may make a difference with CDNs since they often determine where you get routed to. The ISP makes a difference as well based on what routes they broadcast (and from Google as well) and based on how the CDN wishes to operate for that ISP. In addition to finding out what farm you're hitting though, certainly run a traceroute on an Idle connection, using UDP packets if possible (not ICMP) to the farm server you're seeing issues to, and then to one that isn't giving you issues.

For speed monitoring, load up a really long video and set the quality to 1080p or Original. From that point, right click on the video player and click on "Show Video Info." In the box that appears, it should tell you what speed it is pulling in next to the "HTTP" lettering. Or, you could just use a normal network monitor for your computer to see what you're getting or simply download the same 1080p/Original video to your hard drive as a test.