 CudniLa Merma - VigiladoPremium,MVM join:2003-12-20 Someshire kudos:13 | reply to StuartMW
Re: DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest... Public safety phrase sounds like cart blanche. Use lethal force in future for public safety. Like really bad riots when lives are at risk and society is in danger of being overrun? Or any other good/bad reason at the time.
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 StuartMWWho Is John Galt?Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews:
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| said by Cudni:Or any other good/bad reason at the time.
It's all For The Children/To Defeat The Terrorists/Public Safety(TM). -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow! |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | The DHS submitted a rushed solicitation to the Federal Business Opportunities site on Wednesday, which is a portal for Federal government procurement requisitions over $25,000. The request gave the potential suppliers only one day to submit their proposals and a 15-day delivery requirement to Alexandria, Virginia. As the brief explains, the objective of this effort is to procure riot gear to prepare for the 2012 Democratic and Republican National Conventions, the 2013 Presidential Inauguration and other future similar activities. The total amount ordered is about 150 sets of riot helmets, thigh and groin protectors, hard-shell shin guards and other riot gear. Specifically, DHS is looking to obtain: - 147 riot helmets with adjustable tactical face shield with liquid seal - 147 sets of upper body and shoulder protection - 152 sets of thigh and groin protection - 147 hard-shell shin guards with substantial protection from flying debris, non-ballistic weapons, and blows to the leg and optimized protective design for severe riot control or tactical situations. - 156 forearm protectors - 147 pairs of tactical gloves The riot gear will be worn by Federal Protective Service agents who are tasked with protecting property, grounds and buildings owned by the federal government. The urgency of the order can be explained by the fact that there is a growing anticipation that many demonstrators will travel to the Republican National Convention (RNC), scheduled for August 27-30 in Tampa Bay, Florida, and Democratic National Convention (DNC), planned for September 3-6 in Charlotte, North Carolina. The RNC itself, for example, will have free speech zones, which will serve as containment quarters for the protesters by not allowing them to leave the designated areas and cause trouble. Another recent DHS move to gear up was back in March of this year, when it gave the defense contractor ATK a deal to provide the DHS with 450 million .40 caliber hollow-point ammunition over a five year period. On top of that, the DHS has recently purchased a number of bullet-proof checkpoint booths and hired hundreds of new security guards to protect government buildings.
»rt.com/usa/news/dhs-unrest-gear-283/
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| said by Name Game:http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-drone-surveillance-napolitano-156/ This is a better article than the one I linked to (which had a bunch of political stuff thrown in).
However my point is the same.
quote: Despite growing opposition from the American public of drones largely centered over privacy objections, the United States has continuously ramped up its drone program in recent years, both domestically and abroad.
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | "Oh for goodness sakes, that's just what we needed. The tin fugitive from the Wizard of Oz. "
said by StuartMW:said by Name Game:http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-drone-surveillance-napolitano-156/ This is a better article than the one I linked to (which had a bunch of political stuff thrown in). However my point is the same. quote: Despite growing opposition from the American public of drones largely centered over privacy objections, the United States has continuously ramped up its drone program in recent years, both domestically and abroad.
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| reply to Name Game quote: ... Another recent DHS move to gear up was back in March of this year, when it gave the defense contractor ATK a deal to provide the DHS with 450 million .40 caliber hollow-point ammunition over a five year period. ... the DHS has recently purchased a number of bullet-proof checkpoint booths...
That doesn't sound like "crowd control", "civil unrest", or "riot containment"... it sounds like preparation for all-out, lethal combat. Washington and Jefferson must be turning over in their graves... -- "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775 |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | reply to StuartMW Practice Range for the drones in Dakota
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 | reply to Name Game said by Name Game: quote: The riot gear will be worn by Federal Protective Service agents who are tasked with protecting property, grounds and buildings owned by the federal government. The urgency of the order can be explained by the fact that there is a growing anticipation that many demonstrators will travel to the Republican National Convention (RNC), scheduled for August 27-30 in Tampa Bay, Florida, and Democratic National Convention (DNC), planned for September 3-6 in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Color me skeptical. What'd they do with all the stuff they bought for the riots that didn't happen in Chicago during the NATO summit? (At least, not as much as they planned for.)
Add to that the quote is contradictory. The federal government doesn't own the "property, grounds, and buildings" where either convention is being held.
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 JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant?Premium join:2006-09-05 Kelowna, BC kudos:2 | To be honest, this sounds like preparation for a complete police / military state. Think Syria. -- Better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it. |
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[H.A.S.C. No. 10842] DoD SMALL-CALIBER AMMUNITION PROGRAMS AND THE ASSOCIATED INDUSTRIAL BASE quote: JUNE 24, 2004 STATEMENT OF MAJ. GEN. BUFORD C. BLOUNT III, ASSISTANT DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF, G3, UNITED STATES ARMY ... The Department of Defense requirement for small-caliber ammunition has grown from approximately 600 million rounds in 1999 to over 1.5 billion cartridges today. And over the next five years it is projected to grow to 1.7 billion rounds annually. ... Currently, we shoot 80 percent of our small-caliber ammunition on the training ranges and in live fire exercises.
So... running the math, and assuming current DoD ammo consumption to now be all the way up to his 1.7 billion rounds (of all types) per year, over 5 years that would add to 8.5 billion rounds, compared with presumed DHS consumption of up to 0.45 billion rounds for the same time span. That breaks down to a 1:19 ratio of comparison of DHS ammo consumption to that of the entire armed forces of the United States, currently engaged in an active combat zone. Maybe it's just me, but a domestic non-military Federal agency requiring over 5% of the ammunition demands of the entire US military (engaged in a period of active combat) seems more than a little "excessive". -- "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775 |
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 SnowymIRC unix.ro UnderNetPremium join:2003-04-05 Kailua, HI kudos:6 Reviews:
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| reply to Name Game said by Name Game: The request gave the potential suppliers only one day to submit their proposals and a 15-day delivery requirement to Alexandria, Virginia.
That's bullshit. It's a sneaky but not subtle way to assure the 'right' company gets the bid. A buddy supplier with a private advance notice of the bid will not only get the contract but the lack of competition will allow the buddy company to jack up the bid price to cover cost of advance notice from the insider @DHS who waited until the 11th hour to post the bid. There ought to be law against this practice. Wait! There is a law against it but I guess when it comes to national security laws do not apply.  |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | Beltway Bandits 
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| reply to Snowy said by Snowy:said by Name Game: The request gave the potential suppliers only one day to submit their proposals and a 15-day delivery requirement to Alexandria, Virginia.
That's bullshit. It's a sneaky but not subtle way to assure the 'right' company gets the bid. A buddy supplier with a private advance notice of the bid will not only get the contract but the lack of competition will allow the buddy company to jack up the bid price to cover cost of advance notice from the insider @DHS who waited until the 11th hour to post the bid. There ought to be law against this practice. Wait! There is a law against it but I guess when it comes to national security laws do not apply. +1
As if the authors of DHS's RFQ didn't know months ago when the dates of the two political conventions and the 2013 inaugural would be... ?!  -- "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775 |
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| said by Blackbird:As if the authors of DHS's RFQ didn't know months ago when the dates of the two political conventions and the 2013 inaugural would be... ?!  They knew exactly what they were doing. As expected, just one company got a bid in - »www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&···ode=list
btw - "***Question Submission: Interested offerors must submit any questions concerning the solicitation at the earliest time possible to enable the Buyer to respond. Questions must be submitted by using the 'Submit a Question' feature at www.fedbid.com. Questions not received within a reasonable time prior to close of the solicitation may not be considered.***" "Questions not received within a reasonable time prior to close of the solicitation may not be considered.*** That's nervy as hell. |
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 JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant?Premium join:2006-09-05 Kelowna, BC kudos:2 | Interesting. The supplier is from India.  |
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 EGeezerGo CatsPremium join:2002-08-04 Midwest kudos:8 | reply to Name Game said by Name Game:... they're looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm. The .223 is offered in both AR15 and the H&K MP5s used by law enforcement.
I wouldn't try to interchange the cartridges, though. I don't know about the H&K, but the AR15s chambered for .223 won't safely shoot a 5.56 cartridge. "Multi" chambered AR15s will handle both. |
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| reply to Cudni The concept of using military aircraft to support law enforcement goes back at least to the 1960s (MAST or Military Assistance to Safety and Traffic, and, yes, I was around then). All this does is expand on that concept courtesy of the Patriot Act and a raft of executive orders. Nothing to look at here. Move along.  -- It is easier for a camel to put on a bikini than an old man to thread a needle. |
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 SpyPremium join:2001-09-22 NE | reply to Name Game yes, that's a pretty good read there also Name Game  |
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| reply to Juggernaut Took the word's right out of my mouth, seems the U.S is learning from Russia and China and are slowly turn our democracy into a dictatorship without us even caring because the economy is the number one concern right now.
(Puts tin foil hate on) Just a coincidence that over the last year this has been happening slowly, civil unrest anyone?). And to think prob. more money from our property taxes goes to the cops then schools social services etc. |
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