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El Quintron
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Re: Could Linux take off thanks to Windows 8?

Just a general response to the OP:

I think Win8 will have a similar effect on Linux that Vista did, it's going to be pretty bad, and will generate a lot of interest in Desktop friendly Linuxes like Mint, Ubuntu, and others...

This time around though, I think would an excellent opportunity for "Desktop Linux" (if I can make up that term) to polish a product that would be non-intimidating to non-technical people that don't have friends who can walk them through the basics of getting started on Ubuntu.
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said by El Quintron:

Just a general response to the OP:

I think Win8 will have a similar effect on Linux that Vista did, it's going to be pretty bad, and will generate a lot of interest in Desktop friendly Linuxes like Mint, Ubuntu, and others...

This time around though, I think would an excellent opportunity for "Desktop Linux" (if I can make up that term) to polish a product that would be non-intimidating to non-technical people that don't have friends who can walk them through the basics of getting started on Ubuntu.

Except the fact there IS desktop in Windows 8.


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said by Razzy:

Except the fact there IS desktop in Windows 8.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to tell me.
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Ah nm I misunderstood you I guess. Sorry.


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said by Razzy:

Ah nm I misunderstood you I guess. Sorry.

No problem
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said by Razzy:

said by El Quintron:

Just a general response to the OP:

I think Win8 will have a similar effect on Linux that Vista did, it's going to be pretty bad, and will generate a lot of interest in Desktop friendly Linuxes like Mint, Ubuntu, and others...

This time around though, I think would an excellent opportunity for "Desktop Linux" (if I can make up that term) to polish a product that would be non-intimidating to non-technical people that don't have friends who can walk them through the basics of getting started on Ubuntu.

Except the fact there IS desktop in Windows 8.

Having a "start screen" isn't new to Linux users, Gnome 3 and Unity predate Windows 8
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I think its gonna better than it was with vista. Speaking as someone who bought a computer with vista right after it was released, as bad as it was at least it still had the normal gui I could operate. I have a friend whose dad is has a computer science degree and can work linux from 100% the command line. The two of them had to work every night for two weeks to learn how to use metro. People can download mint or ubuntu and with a few clicks be on the web. Which one of those sounds less user friendly?


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said by me1212:

I think its gonna better than it was with vista. Speaking as someone who bought a computer with vista right after it was released, as bad as it was at least it still had the normal gui I could operate.

Vista before SP2 was nearly unuseable, it was so laggy it made my head spin, and I was running it on a Q6700 with 8GBs of RAM...

I haven't used Win8 (and don't intend on moving beyond Win7 for the forseeable future) but if Win8 has a foreign feeling GUI, and lag, Desktop Linux is going to have a once in a lifetime opportunity to make some big waves.
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said by El Quintron:

said by me1212:

I think its gonna better than it was with vista. Speaking as someone who bought a computer with vista right after it was released, as bad as it was at least it still had the normal gui I could operate.

Vista before SP2 was nearly unuseable, it was so laggy it made my head spin, and I was running it on a Q6700 with 8GBs of RAM...

I haven't used Win8 (and don't intend on moving beyond Win7 for the forseeable future) but if Win8 has a foreign feeling GUI, and lag, Desktop Linux is going to have a once in a lifetime opportunity to make some big waves.

Vista RTM ran perfect on my C2D 3.16ghz and 4GB (jumped to 8GB sometimes later). Better than XP did.


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said by El Quintron:

said by me1212:

I think its gonna better than it was with vista. Speaking as someone who bought a computer with vista right after it was released, as bad as it was at least it still had the normal gui I could operate.

Vista before SP2 was nearly unuseable, it was so laggy it made my head spin, and I was running it on a Q6700 with 8GBs of RAM...

I haven't used Win8 (and don't intend on moving beyond Win7 for the forseeable future) but if Win8 has a foreign feeling GUI, and lag, Desktop Linux is going to have a once in a lifetime opportunity to make some big waves.

It is very similar to Unity and Gnome 3 (start screen), with more up-front social connectivity and very efficient mouse-keyboard usage to move around in the OS. Lag is nonexistent in both beta versions on a computer that is minimum spec for Windows 7. DirectX 11.1 will further enhance acceleration and "snappiness".

The OS itself, in a vacuum, is not a disaster. IMO, there are a few things happening:

1. It is the "every other OS" step to be hated. Some are jumping the band wagon before release for "cred".
2. Microsoft Store eliminated a non-pay release on ARM, hope was there to reduce cost on this small form factor OS (Google/Apple).
3. Integration into Metro to include the cost/time to perform it was ignored due to "classic desktop HAS to be included, right?" ignorance.
4. OpenGL sure does cost less than DirectX...

Ideologues pray for 4 being the reason. I happen to think populist supporting people, such as Gabe, are more focused on number 1. But, so what? Get those OpenGL optimizations/fixes upstream and foster Linux to be an acceptable gaming alternative OS.
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I used vista no SP on a c2d e4300 + 2GB ram. horrid it was. Windows 8 forces you to use metro to start the old windows 7 like desktop and the metro menu replaced the start menu. Its supposed to be resource light, but if the users can't learn how to work it its not going to do well I pray linux takes advantage of this some how.

Dell is putting out an ultra book that comes with ubuntuon it, an ivy bridge mobile(still ht'd quad core) i7, and hd 4k. Not good for gaming, but its enough for l4d2 and minecraft and I believe wow. and for the first two enough to run a server on and play at the same time. I know nothing of running wow servers or if it can be done on a personal non blizzard box.

And theres a laptop that radio shack and some other places are gonna sell with a sandy bridge mobile i5 and a 6770m i believe. again, not good but enough for wow, minecraft, l4d2, and the servers. Plus the rest of the source games should follow in toe once the engine is ported.

While these are not high end laptops, they are still commercially sold(at least one in a nation wide store) that come with linux pre-installed.


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said by me1212:

The two of them had to work every night for two weeks to learn how to use metro.

Two weeks to learn to press the Windows key + D key? Wow. Yeah, they're ready for Linux.
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said by JohnInSJ:

said by me1212:

The two of them had to work every night for two weeks to learn how to use metro.

Two weeks to learn to press the Windows key + D key? Wow. Yeah, they're ready for Linux.

I'm sure he meant "finding what they needed because they were used to doing it another way."
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said by El Quintron:

said by JohnInSJ:

said by me1212:

The two of them had to work every night for two weeks to learn how to use metro.

Two weeks to learn to press the Windows key + D key? Wow. Yeah, they're ready for Linux.

I'm sure he meant "finding what they needed because they were used to doing it another way."

Two Weeks to learn the Charms shortcut? Other than that, there isn't two weeks of changes to learn if you're using your existing apps on Win8. You don't HAVE to use metro for anything. The UI changes for trivial stuff take about 10 minutes to learn. You can dismiss the Metro (hey, it's a really big start menu) screen and live in the desktop if you want. Other than bugfixes, the OS isn't any different than 7 >= Visa >= NT.
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They could not find the Desktop tile on the start screen?

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No, if you re-read what I posted they spent two weeks learning how to actually use metro. They didn't take the easy way out, they wanted to actually learn about/how to use metro before they passed judgment on it.

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said by me1212:

No, if you re-read what I posted they spent two weeks learning how to actually use metro. They didn't take the easy way out, they wanted to actually learn about/how to use metro before they passed judgment on it.

This just hot off the press - it's officially not "Metro" any longer, it's "[insert name to be decided at a future date]"!

»bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/0···ct-look/


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said by scross:

said by me1212:

No, if you re-read what I posted they spent two weeks learning how to actually use metro. They didn't take the easy way out, they wanted to actually learn about/how to use metro before they passed judgment on it.

This just hot off the press - it's officially not "Metro" any longer, it's "[insert name to be decided at a future date]"!

»bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/0···ct-look/

Maybe MS figured out there would be a lot of "Metro-Sexual" jokes floating around out there?
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said by Santa Fe:

Maybe MS figured out there would be a lot of "Metro-Sexual" jokes floating around out there?

Apparently they are trying to head off some kind of trademark dispute, but I like your idea better!


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said by me1212:

No, if you re-read what I posted they spent two weeks learning how to actually use metro. They didn't take the easy way out, they wanted to actually learn about/how to use metro before they passed judgment on it.

Did they do this on a touch device? Did they do this with one hand tied behind their backs, while ignoring the mounds of info online about how to "use metro"?

Because Metro is just three things - charms, the start tiles page, and updated settings GUIs. I can't imagine it takes two weeks to grasp that. Now, if you mean the sample metro apps that aren't even close to the final shipping metro sample apps... ok, that might take a day. But that's not Windows 8. Those are just sample apps.
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