 KilroyPremium,MVM
join:2002-11-21
Ann Arbor, MI | reply to clawfury
Re: [Cataclysm] Tired of the attitude said by clawfury:I'm curious what your definition of "know how to properly pull" is...?
Knowing how to pull properly is prioritizing kills to minimize damage to the group as a whole. As a tank, you're a meat shield. Your job is to keep the mobs and bosses beating on you so they don't notice the DPS killing them.
For HoT, Asira Dawnslayer is the one that stands out. Incredibly easy to tank, but most make the fight much more difficult.
How to tank Asira Dawnslayer.
1. Engage.
2. When she throws smoke back up until she is sufficiently out of smoke.
3. Rinse and repeat, normally four times
How most tanks tank Asira Dawnslayer
1. Engage.
2. Run to totem to increase tank DPS. Got to try to get to the top of the meters.
3. Run in a random direction to maybe pull her out of the smoke. Never do the same direction twice, keep your DPS casters and healer guessing.
4. Rinse and repeat many times until finally killed (since casting DPS is minimal) or wipe because heals is constantly silenced.
I've seen my casting DPS cut 50% or more depending on how bad the tank is.
Some times it is the little things that count. Like the Dreadlord Defender pulls in Well of Eternity. If the tank turns them away from the group only the tank takes their AOE damage, this makes healers happy.
Granted I do some things that tick the DPS off, like going toe to toe with Manaroth and making them stack or bring me adds. This comes from doing more DPS as the tank then all three of my DPS supplied by LFG and having healers that can't seem to keep me up if I pull all the adds.
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| said by Kilroy:said by clawfury:I'm curious what your definition of "know how to properly pull" is...?
Knowing how to pull properly is prioritizing kills to minimize damage to the group as a whole. As a tank, you're a meat shield. Your job is to keep the mobs and bosses beating on you so they don't notice the DPS killing them. For HoT, Asira Dawnslayer is the one that stands out. Incredibly easy to tank, but most make the fight much more difficult. How to tank Asira Dawnslayer. 1. Engage. 2. When she throws smoke back up until she is sufficiently out of smoke. 3. Rinse and repeat, normally four times How most tanks tank Asira Dawnslayer 1. Engage. 2. Run to totem to increase tank DPS. Got to try to get to the top of the meters. 3. Run in a random direction to maybe pull her out of the smoke. Never do the same direction twice, keep your DPS casters and healer guessing. 4. Rinse and repeat many times until finally killed (since casting DPS is minimal) or wipe because heals is constantly silenced. I've seen my casting DPS cut 50% or more depending on how bad the tank is. Some times it is the little things that count. Like the Dreadlord Defender pulls in Well of Eternity. If the tank turns them away from the group only the tank takes their AOE damage, this makes healers happy. Granted I do some things that tick the DPS off, like going toe to toe with Manaroth and making them stack or bring me adds. This comes from doing more DPS as the tank then all three of my DPS supplied by LFG and having healers that can't seem to keep me up if I pull all the adds. lol, okay, I got it. I guess I'm a pretty good tank then :P I quit marking because people just scoff and pay no attention, but I used to back in the day. Prided myself on knowing what to mark and how to use LoS for pulls. Unfortunately HoT is mostly retardation, no opportunity to use any of those old school skills. I tank Asira the way you describe, and still top the meters, which is sad. |
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kudos:7 | I still have Square, Skull, and X bound to Shift Q-W-E so I can quickly mark casters or high-damage mobs on the fly. |
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| I have a quick mark add, and I do it when something is particularly lethal, or on the Queen Azshara boss, I mark the first two kills which helps a little for the ADD crowd. |
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KilroyPremium,MVM
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Ann Arbor, MI | reply to Krisnatharok
The problem with marking is that the number of people who understand them is very low.
To them
Skull = Stay way very dangerous
X = Not this one
Square = This guy is not cool
I love when I mark and marked targets go down last. After a couple of those I start attacking single marked targets and let the idiots deal with their stupidity.
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KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
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kudos:7 | reply to clawfury
Exactly. Or Hand of the Queen, or the Void Sphere (or colored mob priority in general) on the second/third DS boss. It's still helpful since the average raider has a two-digit IQ.
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KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
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kudos:7 | reply to Kilroy
It may vary per server or battlegroup, but on Mal'Ganis it's always kill order (Skull, X, Square although the last one is rarely seen). Purple or green means CC target.
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If a caster gets silenced and can't pull dps or heal on this fight it's only 1 of 2 things.. A) People are being assholes and doing it on purpose, or B) The casters fail at LoS. Granted I run with guildies anymore to avoid the retards. Just play like you use to in vanilla. The hell with all the assholes. |
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 ImmerGentlemanPremium
join:2010-01-07
Evans, GA
kudos:6 | reply to Kilroy
I don't dps very often... but when I do... I hate it when I sneak ahead and CC a caster... only to have the tank pull the melee adds over to the CC'd caster, while his health bar just bleeds out... /sigh. |
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| lol. I'm guessing that the people who do these kind of things don't post on forums...oh wait...I bet they post on the official WoW forum. Talk about some poisonous a$$holes. That forum is a pit. |
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said by Krisnatharok:It may vary per server or battlegroup, but on Mal'Ganis it's always kill order (Skull, X, Square although the last one is rarely seen). Purple or green means CC target.
hmm... We do it a little differently
Kill order: Skull, X
CC: Circle=sap, Moon=sheep, triangle=hex, diamond=bind elemental, Squre=Icetrap
Stack on this guy: Star
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KilroyPremium,MVM
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Ann Arbor, MI | reply to Bodybagger
said by Bodybagger:If a caster gets silenced and can't pull dps or heal on this fight it's only 1 of 2 things.
I disagree. DPS and Heals should be at tank's back. When tank takes off in some random direction they get silenced and continue to get silenced until they can get behind someone.
To demonstrate how bad this can be put a dot in the center of a piece of paper, that's the boss. Now put a dot right by it, that's the tank. Now put two dots and inch behind your tank dot. When the tank moves to the other side of the boss they have a very short distance to move. For the casters to line back behind the tank they now have to run to the other side of the page. Now have the tank do that not only when boss throws smoke but also when Thrall throws down a totem and you've got your casters silenced for most of the fight.
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| Gotta agree with Kilroy here. What I typically do is run to the boss, and tell the group I'm going to back up in a straight line. I then back up just out of the cloud every time, and if I do it right, the totem ends up right on top of me. I do this a max of 3-4 times if the dps is good, and the healer never gets silenced. |
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| said by clawfury:Gotta agree with Kilroy here. What I typically do is run to the boss, and tell the group I'm going to back up in a straight line. I then back up just out of the cloud every time, and if I do it right, the totem ends up right on top of me. I do this a max of 3-4 times if the dps is good, and the healer never gets silenced.
exactly what I do. I put a star on the healer, and tell them to back up at max-range up the road we just came down. I strafe-run to the healer (muuuuch faster than backing up and takes less damage than turning around and running). Very little downtime due to moving. If caster/ranged are stacked on the healer, thrall's totem usually gets dropped on them... so I can back up a couple of steps and now everyone is in the totem. easy-peasy.
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Troy, OH
kudos:1 | The problem here is most tanks in your LFD's have no clue what strafe-run is or how to do it or even what it is for.
I remember when Uldar came out and I was applying for a new guild as a tank. I had to take and pass a tanking test. This is what I had to do:
1. 4 raiders including the raid leader took me into Halls of Lighting Dungeon.
2. I had to be in vent with them explaining different boss fights while we were doing the dungeon.
3. I had to make a macro to throw the leather ball back within 5 seconds of it being thrown to me.
4. I was on my pally at the time and I was not allowed to use Righteous Defense and had to tank without it and keep aggro.
I was graded by how well i kept threat , progressed thru the instance and how i explained the boss fights over vent while this all was going on.
The party consisted of a lock , mage , rogue and priest healer. It was nerve wracking and totally blew my mind.
But in the end I passed and was added to the ranks and got to learn some stuff from a really good raid tank. I try and pass that stuff onto people who want to learn to tank that I come across. |
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If a guildie isn't on to heal and we end up running this instance and have a pug healer, we usually have zero problems. I'm not saying that I do not tank the boss the way you mentioned (as this IS the strat to the boss). You cannot fix stupid and whiny ass babies that moan and groan about being silenced and/or dead and blame a tank that is doing the correct strat. Countless times when I use to run LFD I would always see a boomer or a healer sitting out in the open, usually going panic mode to sit in the totem, and end up not pulling any dps b/c I didn't LoS FOR him/her. Ef that... it's only going to bring your normal 10k up to about 13k anyway. Hence why I no longer do LFD without friends/guildies. |
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said by Immer:hmm... We do it a little differently
Kill order: Skull, X
CC: Circle=sap, Moon=sheep, triangle=hex, diamond=bind elemental
Stack on this guy: Star This is pretty close to what I'm used to for target marking. Add in "blue square = hunter, please put a freezing trap on this guy" (blue square looks like a block of ice). Of course, there's a decent chance that I freeze the guy, then a rogue immediately jumps in to DPS him, or a mage starts casting AoE nukes... so much for "cc breaks on damage"... sigh.
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The kinds of personalities you see in LFD/LFR vary greatly. I've had some pretty awesome experiences - there was one run through Blackrock Caverns where we had one DPS who didn't know any of the encounters (and was quite low on meters...), but we had an awesome tank who insisted on giving the guy a chance to learn. We did a brief rundown of the strat for each boss, then went in and gave it a try. Think we may have wiped a couple of times, but we finished the instance. As the tank said, "everyone has to be new at some point". (Yes, yes, I know. Icy Veins, Tankspot, Youtube, dungeon journal, et cetera. I use them, but not everyone does.)
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I've also had some runs through LFR where I wanted to uninstall the game afterwards, then rinse my laptop in bleach afterwards to get rid of the stink. |
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ImmerGentlemanPremium
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Evans, GA
kudos:6 | I can't believe I forgot the Square=hunter. oh yeah... I usually just ask my wife, "hey hun... can you trap that one?" |
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join:2009-03-17
Cary, NC
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said by Immer:I don't dps very often... but when I do... I hate it when I sneak ahead and CC a caster... only to have the tank pull the melee adds over to the CC'd caster, while his health bar just bleeds out... /sigh.
sorry, couldn't help myself. 
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