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whfsdude
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Re: [BW Meter] New Limit on BW Meter?

said by jbob:

It does highlight those in this thread who are bandwidth hogs though!

With pride! Three people here playing Onlive daily, Backblaze on most of the machines, BitCasa beta, Netflix, the list goes on.

said by teddystacker:

To be fair Comcast network is much more robust these days , its impossible to call people "bandwidth hogs" , when its not known how many people are on their node

Since they have enabled upstream bonding, I have not seen any congestion. I think Comcast is pretty aggressive at splitting nodes in my neighborhood.


teddystacker

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@whfsdude

I am sure you are correct , the days of the much maligned "Bandwidth hogs" are gone , as Comcast have made their network more able to cope with the "heavy user" , even at peak I get the full 50mbit downstream , in the "old days" of a few years this would have never been possible.

My guess with the suspension of the 250 limit is that Comcast have intentionally "opened the flood gates" for a while , to see what the load is on the network when people are allowed to do what they like - that way they can work out the best business model to make the max amount of money from those of us who some people call "Bandwidth hogs" - I call us "value for your money in a poor economy" customers , but as we know this point had been debated for many , many years in these forums. things have moved on a great deal in the last few years and now its very , very easy to do 500gig a month without evening thinking about anything illegal...


telcodad
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Looks like the FCC is now looking into this "much higher data speeds now being offered vs. only slightly higher data caps/allowances being set" issue:

FCC to study data caps, and may raise broadband speed threshold
By Steve Donohue, FierceCable - August 22, 2012
»www.fiercecable.com/story/fcc-st···12-08-22

As the article says, one of the things the FCC is asking:
"What data capacity limits do most fixed broadband providers offer today? How often, and under what circumstances, do consumers exceed these limits?"

Link to the FCC notice of inquiry: »transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Release···91A1.pdf


telcodad
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said by telcodad:

Looks like the FCC is now looking into this "much higher data speeds now being offered vs. only slightly higher data caps/allowances being set" issue:

FCC to study data caps, and may raise broadband speed threshold
By Steve Donohue, FierceCable - August 22, 2012
»www.fiercecable.com/story/fcc-st···12-08-22

As the article says, one of the things the FCC is asking:
"What data capacity limits do most fixed broadband providers offer today? How often, and under what circumstances, do consumers exceed these limits?"

Link to the FCC notice of inquiry: »transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Release···91A1.pdf

An article on the Broadcasting & Cable site today:

Genachowski: Consumers Need Sufficient 'Monthly' Broadband Capacity
Signals FCC has its eye on impact of usage-based pricing on broadband ecosystem

By John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable - September 25, 2012
»www.broadcastingcable.com/articl···city.php

EDIT: The full text of Genachowski's remarks can be seen here: »www.fcc.gov/document/chairman-ge···ox-media


telcodad
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A pair of articles on the GigaOM site today about ISP caps:

As broadband caps turn 4, it’s time for the FCC to take action
By Stacey Higginbotham, GigaOM - October 1, 2012
»gigaom.com/2012/10/01/data-caps-fcc/

and:

Which ISPs are capping your broadband, and why?
By Stacey Higginbotham, GigaOM - October 1, 2012
»gigaom.com/2012/10/01/data-caps-chart/


telcodad
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FCC commissioner Ajit Pai has warned that they could attempt to regulate the pricing of usage-based broadband packages next year if its net neutrality rules are upheld by an appellate court:

FCC could attempt to regulate usage-based broadband pricing, commissioner Pai warns
By Steve Donohue, FierceCable - December 7, 2012
»www.fiercecable.com/story/fcc-co···12-12-07


telcodad
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An article on the Multichannel News site today:

NCTA Funds Study Claiming Usage-Based Broadband Pricing Is Pro-Consumer
Free Press Disputes Findings of Paper Authored by Michigan State Professors

By Todd Spangler, Multichannel News - December 14, 2012
»www.multichannel.com/cable-opera···r/140728

GTFan

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That's a joke - here's the most important and truthful part of the article:

Disputing the papers findings, Matt Wood, policy director of consumer-advocacy group Free Press, said usage-based pricing models are designed simply to make more money for ISPs.

The idea that the cable industry would charge people less for broadband access, if only it were allowed to do so, is laughable, Wood said. So is the claim that higher cable profits will result in savings and benefits that trickle down to consumers. Nothing but effective competition will drive prices down, and cable operators already make exorbitant returns on their Internet offerings should they care to pass some of that cash back along to their paying customers.


In other words - without effective competition for wired HSI, metered plans will only be a money grab. No more, no less. No one should be surprised by this, because the FCC and Congress blew it long ago when they had a chance to make cable a common carrier open to all ISPs but didn't. As long as they're closed pipes with effective monopolies and little oversight, they can do whatever they want pricing-wise and the FCC will look the other way.


NormanS
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reply to telcodad
said by telcodad:

Which ISPs are capping your broadband, and why?
By Stacey Higginbotham, GigaOM - October 1, 2012
»gigaom.com/2012/10/01/data-caps-chart/

Very interesting. Not all cable companies have implemented caps. But I think it is more telling that, among the DSL providers, only AT&T (U-verse TV) and CenturyLink (Prism TV) have implemented caps. This looks suspiciously like preserving the TV revenue stream.

But we already knew that ...
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~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

GTFan

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U-Verse does not have an enforced cap because they still don't have an accurate way of separating TV traffic from internet traffic. Go figure, but the stated 250GB cap is not in place right now.

AT&T DSL on the other hand has a 150GB cap and it is used to charge you extra at $10 per 50GB.


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said by GTFan:

AT&T DSL on the other hand has a 150GB cap and it is used to charge you extra at $10 per 50GB.

That cap is not enforced, either.
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NormanS
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reply to GTFan
The fact that AT&T and Comcast are not, currently, enforcing their caps does not mitigate the fact that they have implemented caps.

BTW, I was not one of AT&T's "bandwidth hogs"; my last full month with them I only had 95GB reported on their meter, but I quit service over their caps. I could have gone with Comcast, whose caps are more generous, but I chose a CLEC DSL provider, Sonic.net, LLC, which does not have caps.
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telcodad
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said by telcodad:

An article on the Multichannel News site today:

NCTA Funds Study Claiming Usage-Based Broadband Pricing Is Pro-Consumer
Free Press Disputes Findings of Paper Authored by Michigan State Professors

By Todd Spangler, Multichannel News - December 14, 2012
»www.multichannel.com/cable-opera···r/140728

A blog item by Todd Spangler of Multichannel News discussing both sides of the issue:

Broadband Usage Pricing: Let It Flourish
By Todd Spangler, Multichannel News - December 20, 2012
»www.multichannel.com/blogs/bit-r···flourish

GTFan

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Another Spangler article worth ignoring. I love this part:

Critics have cooked up the conspiracy theory that usage-based pricing is a way for cable or telco TV operators to protect their TV businesses (by making watching online video less attractive). But FreedomPop and ViaSat dont have TV businesses. They have finite bandwidth resources that theyre trying to monetize in the best possible way.

Um yeah, apple meet orange. Cableco caps have nothing to do with wireless ISP caps. It is not a 'conspiracy' theory to suggest that cable might want to protect the video side of the house with caps, and it has nothing to do with a non-TV provider's reasons for doing so.