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PX Eliezer7
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Re: Where Am I Listed ?

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I would not want a phone provider to make a judgement regarding what is best for me, the subscriber, and not at least explain up-front to me that this is how they do things....

They probably should explain that specifically in the FAQ, but it's hardly a secret. Has been discussed here many times over the years.

Suppose you have CC service for outbound calls, but have [not] purchased a DID? In that case, the same 626-771-0198 trunk number will show up as CID, unless you have arranged for an alternate number to be displayed.

Again, not unusual.

If you make an outbound call on Voip.MS Value routing, your CID may show up as a Voip.MS trunk number, often a 720 Denver number in the case of US subscribers.

See for example:
»VoIP.ms does not send CID as configured at PBXes.com

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said by Davesnothere:

....which is either populating an LIDB on my behalf without asking (or even telling) me of it....

When such is [absolutely the standard way] for phone companies to operate in the US and much of Canada?

said by Davesnothere:

....or sending CNAM on-the-fly on that same basis....

Which is [absolutely the standard] for the remainder of Canada?

said by Davesnothere:

Privacy issues and laws are at stake here too, as I have alluded earlier.

I think that's one of the silliest things that I have ever heard....

Everything herein is well known to the CRTC and FCC, by the way, especially the SS7 signaling in Canada. All the things about which you take such quixotic umbrage, are a basic part of the telephone system.


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said by PX Eliezer7:

said by Davesnothere:

I would not want a phone provider to make a judgement regarding what is best for me, the subscriber, and not at least explain up-front to me that this is how they do things....

They probably should explain that specifically in the FAQ, but it's hardly a secret.

Has been discussed here many times over the years.

 
Possibly true.

However, posts quickly get buried in THIS forum, AND, as I romanticised immediately above, DSLR participants are but a small splinter of the general public, which itself does not get to read, [and in many cases] much less understand the things that we geeks post here.

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said by PX Eliezer7:

said by Davesnothere:

....which is either populating an LIDB on my behalf without asking (or even telling) me of it....

When such is [absolutely the standard way] for phone companies to operate in the US and much of Canada?

said by Davesnothere:

Privacy issues and laws are at stake here too, as I have alluded earlier.

I think that's one of the silliest things that I have ever heard....

Everything herein is well known to the CRTC and FCC, by the way, especially the SS7 signaling in Canada.

All the things about which you take such quixotic umbrage, are a basic part of the telephone system.

 
Be that as it may, I accept what you say about my opinions.

And unlike SOME parties, at least you are communicating with me.

However, as for what you suggest about my wishes/requirements being so unique, think of it THIS way :

How many ILEC customers would simply rather have an unlisted number, and so not have to deal with *67 and such (which they wonder why doesn't work sometimes anyway - your explanation applies there), and also put and end to telemarketers and other lowlife calling, yet without learning how to manage a blacklist in a web portal ?

Some of these folks even consciously CHOOSE a cellular (or VoIP) provider for the express purpose of [escaping the 'absolute standard' way of the ILECs, and] achieving just that, as at least initially, alternate phone providers did not list your number (a possible PLUS to this group of folks), and many ALTPPs did not do the outbound CNAM/LIDB thing either.

Mayhaps I am just one of that silent group of cord-cutters who are not [only] doing it to save on our monthly phone bills.

When I don my John Q. Public chapeau and T-shirt, I sure seem to FEEL that way.


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Vitelity's Website & CNAM

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I noticed that you have done a review of them (as well as posted about them occasionally), so I read it.

What you wrote impressed me enough to read some of the other folks' reviews.

One of those reviews mentioned a $10 one-time fee for LIDB/CNAM population for outbound calling.

I went to the website of the provider and was further impressed.

WHAT a well constructed site !

It did not take very long at all to find out most of what I wanted to know (though a few things would require registering a portal login to see them).

I seem to recall yourself and/or someone else saying here that they are a CLEC, and that they provide much of the USA footprint for VOIP.MS - and that $10 LIDB/CNAM fee seems familiar too in commentary about VOIP.MS.

Unfortunately their support of Canadian rate centres seems to be rather sparse.

Above is a screenshot of how VITELITY does CNAM - simple to understand, though not free - you choose what you want and they provide it - no surprises and no mysteries.

I am in love with their website's conciseness, clarity, and structure.

Many other VoIPPs could learn something (or in some cases almost everything ) from examining it, and we know who we mean.

Cheers !

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Vitelity just recently revamped their website.

Still, in many ways they are simply [not] up to the level of CallCentric or Voip.MS in many aspects of call control and account/CDR information available.

Vitelity also charges for [outbound] CNAM---not only a $ 10 setup fee but ALSO an ongoing charge of $ 1.49 a month. I think that's pretty high.

Not impressed with the overall picture.

I would not praise or damn a VoIPP based on one minor attribute; that's my opinion anyway.



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said by PX Eliezer7:

Vitelity also charges for [outbound] CNAM---not only a $ 10 setup fee but ALSO an ongoing charge of $ 1.49 a month. I think that's pretty high.

Heh. They make money coming AND going with that. For context, carriers are compensated each and every time someone requests a name for one of their DIDs.
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PX Eliezer7
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Re: Perspectives

Here's where I'm coming from.

Let's say someone escaped from a country with a horribly repressive situation---like northern Mali today.

And they were able to end up in a great country like Canada.

But then they spent their days railing against something small, like Canada's law that requires daytime running lights on cars, ignoring all the other great stuff about Canada, and likewise not taking into account the bad thing they had escaped from (whether Mali or BellCanada).

That's all I'm saying....



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Re: Vitelity's Website & CNAM

said by PX Eliezer7:

....Vitelity also charges for [outbound] CNAM---not only a $ 10 setup fee but ALSO an ongoing charge of $ 1.49 a month.

I think that's pretty high.

Not impressed with the overall picture.

I would not praise or damn a VoIPP based on one minor attribute; that's my opinion anyway.

 
And neither will I.

But since you reviewed them, and generally offer advice which sits well with me, I took a look.... leading to my post about them.

And yes, I noticed their fee structure in the screenshot.

But there ARE other VoIPPs which come to my mind, which OPENLY include these kinds of services, making them part of the overall package, and which are known for providing exemplary support/service, but which charge more for their package, or for their per-minute rates, or for both.

And I am not sure just what sort of 'Call Treatments' can be done at Vitelity - and not doing THOSE sufficiently well would be a deal-breaker for me, even if a provider did everything else the way I have said that I prefer, including supporting my rate centre.

My post about Vitelity was simply to make an example of another way in which CallCentric might consider doing things, in order to be more transparent.


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Re: Perspectives

said by PX Eliezer7:

Here's where I'm coming from....

 
I get it.

But I am one who would be willing to pay somewhat more to have things exactly how I want them.

And it would take a lot of nickel and diming on top of one or another of our best-known VoIPP's rates (for various features & functions) to get anywhere NEAR what Bell Canada is known to charge for a less feature-rich service !

= = = = = =

Bell charges in my rate zone over $24 Canadian bucks per month for basic POTS service with 911 and touch tone, with ZERO calling features, and ZERO long distance calling.

Plus 13% HST applies now up here.