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pandora
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[Lore] DSLR Guild (Thrall) has started

So many complained DSLR on Silvermoon wasn't a horde guild.

Today a new DSLR guild was started on the Thrall server.

It is horde, the leader is some unheard of Death Knight named Vyle, who ironically is a Tauren this time round.

This is not a primary guild for me, but will be a back-burner project.
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Suniojii

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There already is a DSLR Horde guild.


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So you go to another server (lose the possibility of cross-realm mailing your BoAs and transfering gold via the neutral AH), but don't pick Mal'Ganis when there is an established DSLR guild there? Why not?

»DSLR guild (Aftershock)
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Ginjer
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I was asking that to myself as well.

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said by Suniojii:

There already is a DSLR Horde guild.

There are several, DSLR on Thrall is the newest.
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said by Krisnatharok:

So you go to another server (lose the possibility of cross-realm mailing your BoAs and transfering gold via the neutral AH), but don't pick Mal'Ganis when there is an established DSLR guild there? Why not?

»DSLR guild (Aftershock)

To experiment and explore.

Besides over the years I've received a ton of complaints that the guild DSLR was alliance. Now there is a horde version.

I was expecting people would be happy after so many years of complaints.
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What they mean is why start another guild when the Mal'Ganis guild that was around before we were at Silvermoon has come back and took it upon themselves to take the horde DSLR guild version upon themselves. All you'd have to is join up and explore the Horde side (I think that was what you were getting at), no need to start another one. You surprised me actually, especially after wearing yourself out with Silvermoon already, why bother to put in all that extra work for another guild when someone else is more than happy to do it?

Edit: Saw your post in the other thread, I know why now, but should probably post the answer here anyway for everyone else
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That's pretty much what I meant. Sorry if I came across as cranky--long day.


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It is a little strange though that they are actually providing a way to move gear, gold, etc. to another server, when that could have been used with the on the Mal'Ganis guild. I am just going to assume at this point we are not a "real" DSLR guild. However, I do wish you guys the best.
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said by Ginjer:

It is a little strange though that they are actually providing a way to move gear, gold, etc. to another server, when that could have been used with the on the Mal'Ganis guild. I am just going to assume at this point we are not a "real" DSLR guild. However, I do wish you guys the best.

My toons, just the ones I ran, contributed more than 25% of the entire XP the DSLR guild on Silvermoon received. That total is 233,101,524 out of 845,670,000 to level to 25 per - »www.wowhead.com/achievement=5492···comments

If you add my kids contributions in, we are almost 2/3's of guild XP for DSLR on Silvermoon.

Can you tell me how much the main members of Mal'Ganis contributed to DSLR on Silvermoon? Any member of your guild, who has been active for longer than 6 months in DSLR and more than 6 months on Aftershock on Mal'Ganis and I will make a proportionate quantity of gold available to the Mal'Ganis guild.

I can tell you personally, there were days and months, when I felt like the only player, the only contributor. I know that isn't true, but I also know a lot more about leveling a small guild.

Is that fair? From the folks at Aftershock on Mal'Ganis I'll deduct 10% of any valid pro-rated contribution for any put down received against myself or the DSLR guild by an Aftershock leader. That is the heckle, being nasty discount.
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Ginjer
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Pandora, you do not have to donate anything. I don't think we would ever take anything like that from anyone. I was just saying I felt like it would be more work for you all to create a new guild is all. After seeing your reasoning, I can understand why you have chosen a new server etc. Like I said in a previous post, it is all about having fun and enjoying the game.
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said by pandora:

Can you tell me how much the main members of Mal'Ganis contributed to DSLR on Silvermoon?

Nothing? Is that the answer you were looking for? We aren't alliance pansies.
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said by Krisnatharok:

We aren't alliance pansies.

Might as well be since you can't pick a permanent server. Buncha whiny bitches. Stupid Horde.


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wut?


Phantasee

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All my mains are on Thrall


Suniojii

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I know, because who wouldnt want to be a part of this??? AMIRITE OR WUT?

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said by Phantasee:

All my mains are on Thrall

If you see anyone from DSLR, it's a member of my family. Say hi, and we'll add you to our friends list. This is a side project and will start out slow. Our current discussion is about which race / classes to make for 5 of us to level to 85.

Later today, we'll start. Likely most will get to level 15-20 by next weekend then level more quickly via dungeon finder. It's easier to level with 5 people filling each role who understand each other and have instant communication.
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said by Krisnatharok:

Nothing? Is that the answer you were looking for? We aren't alliance pansies.

Horde or alliance is meaningless to me, I'll be happy to play a toon on either faction. To make faction such an issue seems immature to me.

The DSLR guild is laid back, and slow to level, mostly family centric, with some greatly appreciated help from others.

I recall the day I decided to make Fel an officer, the other officers asked me not to, saying he was too immature. However his heart was in the right place.

At the end, once all the tallies were up, outside of my family, Mr. Fel was the largest contributor to DSLR.

Sometimes you have to understand people matter, not the game. Fel and Kingdome have been such great friends and assets to our guild. Folks like that don't come along often, they are treasures.

Treasures to be appreciated and not insulted. My family could propel Aftershock to 25 much faster than any other group of players likely to sign up from this forum. Yet for years I've received insults similar to yours.

As someone who has taken a small family guild to 25, I'd like to offer some advice.

1) It's a game, enjoy it. Without enjoyment the game isn't fun.

2) Factions are for fun, taking them seriously is folly. Enjoy a faction as you would enjoy any other aspect of the game.

3) Value the people who play, your players are humans. I'm not Pandora or Vyle (my title in game). I'm a person, as is Fel or Kingdome or any other member of my guild. Respect players as real people. Value them. Try to understand them.

4) People have real life situations and needs. Sometimes they need to take extended leaves. This doesn't mean they don't care, or aren't interested, it means they have real lives and are human. Respect that, respect the time they gave and if / when they return, respect them again.

5) Without respect, and enjoyment of the game, a guild isn't fun imo.
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post your Battle Tag, no need for guilds.. IMO..


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said by Krisnatharok:

So you go to another server (lose the possibility of cross-realm mailing your BoAs and transfering gold via the neutral AH), but don't pick Mal'Ganis when there is an established DSLR guild there? Why not?

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I joined up with Cowpoker. He's only lvl 20, so it won't take you too long to catch up.


Suniojii

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said by pandora:

said by Krisnatharok:

Nothing? Is that the answer you were looking for? We aren't alliance pansies.

Horde or alliance is meaningless to me, I'll be happy to play a toon on either faction. To make faction such an issue seems immature to me.

The DSLR guild is laid back, and slow to level, mostly family centric, with some greatly appreciated help from others.

I recall the day I decided to make Fel an officer, the other officers asked me not to, saying he was too immature. However his heart was in the right place.

At the end, once all the tallies were up, outside of my family, Mr. Fel was the largest contributor to DSLR.

Sometimes you have to understand people matter, not the game. Fel and Kingdome have been such great friends and assets to our guild. Folks like that don't come along often, they are treasures.

Treasures to be appreciated and not insulted. My family could propel Aftershock to 85 much faster than any other group of players likely to sign up from this forum. Yet for years I've received insults similar to yours.

As someone who has taken a small family guild to 25, I'd like to offer some advice.

1) It's a game, enjoy it. Without enjoyment the game isn't fun.

2) Factions are for fun, taking them seriously is folly. Enjoy a faction as you would enjoy any other aspect of the game.

3) Value the people who play, your players are humans. I'm not Pandora or Vyle (my title in game). I'm a person, as is Fel or Kingdome or any other member of my guild. Respect players as real people. Value them. Try to understand them.

4) People have real life situations and needs. Sometimes they need to take extended leaves. This doesn't mean they don't care, or aren't interested, it means they have real lives and are human. Respect that, respect the time they gave and if / when they return, respect them again.

5) Without respect, and enjoyment of the game, a guild isn't fun imo.

Pandora, I don't think you get it.

People are not peeved that you personally want to play horde side. It's simple, we wanted to play in a DSLR horde guild, so lots of us have transferred multiple characters to Mal'Ganis at great expense. We are all happy and content, and now we see you posting your Campaign posters all over the forum. And it's not as if you post one thread stating, "Hey guys, my kids and I are gonna play as horde on Thrall". Now we have to endure the constant threads of "My guild this, My guild is DSLR Horde, My guild blah" which all serve to cause obvious divisiveness.

I see you posting in carefully crafted mock innocence and sincerity, but let's cut the crap and stop beating around the passive aggressive bush shall we?


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I think is all about getting the guild name "DSLR" (Pandora's kids and family) on the horde side not the "DSLR Guild" on horde side, am I right? At the end people is free to choose the best server for their particular needs.

Right now there is a horde guild where (many) DSLR Posters already play on that is on Mal'ganis.

We just need to avoid to confuse our fellow posters around here.
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said by Jobbie:

I think is all about getting the guild name "DSLR" (Pandora's kids and family) on the horde side not the "DSLR Guild" on horde side, am I right? At the end people is free to choose the best server for their particular needs.

If the server were not PvP and if the GM were someone I trusted (Fel, Kingdome, and a few others), I'd gladly port.

IMO a PvP server is a poor choice for casuals, and particularly for kids. One of the leaders of the Mal'Ganis has been hostile toward myself and DSLR on Silvermoon for some time.

I'm not going to subject myself or my family to a guild leadership that is hostile toward us, or where we can be easily set up for ganking by Aftershock alliance alts.

In the DSLR guild, we don't gank our own players, we try to respect them all. That will be true horde or alliance.

I'm a bit slow to start the DSLR horde guild at the moment, but within the next week there will be a lot more activity. I'm loading a transfer toon, and want it to be as prepared as possible to help DSLR on the Thrall server. It is taking a bit of time than I would like as RL issues are affecting my ability to focus on the port.
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I am trying to figure out who the guild leaders are that have offended you? Most of us have kids, so I just can't buy the being bad to kids thing myself. That would cross the line for me. Maybe there were some bad personnel prior to me joining, but I just haven't experienced any of these issues that you have.
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Nevermind, late night postings aren't the best idea..
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Re: [Lore] DSLR Guild (Thrall) has started

I re-read this thread and I thoroughly have no idea what is going on, so I'll just respond to each point.

quote:
So many complained DSLR on Silvermoon wasn't a horde guild.
What are you talking about? The primary WoW guild for DSLR is on Mal'Ganis and IS a horde guild.

quote:
It is horde, the leader is some unheard of Death Knight named Vyle, who ironically is a Tauren this time round.
So, the leader of your new horde guild is not actually a member of DSLR, you don't really know who he is, but his name is Vyle and for some reason being a Tauren Death Knight is... ironic? How?

quote:
This is not a primary guild for me, but will be a back-burner project.
A guild you don't run, by a guy you don't really know, who is ironically a TAUREN DEATH KNIGHT, who isn't a member of DSLR, runs a DSLR guild, but this is your back-burner project? ok.

quote:
Besides over the years I've received a ton of complaints that the guild DSLR was alliance. Now there is a horde version.

I was expecting people would be happy after so many years of complaints.
Who would have thought. You were the one leading the charge on centralizing the DSLR folks into a single horde server. Apparently, there were dozens or even hundreds of DSLR folks who played alliance and they were just complaining for years on end about how they had to sit in Stormwind all day instead of Orgrimmar.

quote:
Can you tell me how much the main members of Mal'Ganis contributed to DSLR on Silvermoon? Any member of your guild, who has been active for longer than 6 months in DSLR and more than 6 months on Aftershock on Mal'Ganis and I will make a proportionate quantity of gold available to the Mal'Ganis guild.
LOL Aftershock doesn't want your gold, your XP or your children. Why are you acting like this group owes you something? No one even knew that your Silvermoon guild existed, let alone contributed to it.

quote:
Is that fair? From the folks at Aftershock on Mal'Ganis I'll deduct 10% of any valid pro-rated contribution for any put down received against myself or the DSLR guild by an Aftershock leader. That is the heckle, being nasty discount.
Let me counter your offer with another offer. How about we trade two shakes for four hens with five onces and then I'll triple your doubles every other Tuesday on potato months your cousin wents once was shall.

quote:
The DSLR guild is laid back, and slow to level, mostly family centric, with some greatly appreciated help from others.
By family centric, you mean your family.

quote:
I'm not going to subject myself or my family to a guild leadership that is hostile toward us, or where we can be easily set up for ganking by Aftershock alliance alts.
Can you make alliance alts on PVP servers yet? Also, no one does that. We gank in guild chat, not with alts. Name a time, other than this thread, where Mal'Ganis Aftershock leadership was hostile towards you.

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Is this an apropriate time to start a slow clap?

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ill make a tauren drood there ifs you guys needs a healer. drood heals go WHOOOOSH.