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StuartMW
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Video Shows TSA's Bizarre New Security Policy

While this article is about testing drinks (already discussed here) the following caught my eye.

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The drinks testing farce has been accompanied by other harebrained TSA schemes which have virtually nothing to do with genuine security and everything to do with subjecting the public to intimidation and obedience training.

The federal agency recently brought in a similarly asinine new policy in which travelers are ordered to “freeze” on command by TSA screeners while passing through security – for no apparent reason other than to check they will obey orders without question.

»www.infowars.com/video-shows-tsa···-policy/

One wonders if TSA agents carry rolled-up newspapers (for negative reinforcement) and biscuits (for positive reinforcement)
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TSA: a Big Brother agency staffed with countless functionaries possessed of small minds and massive power-lust, that is clearly spiraling out of rational control. It's well past time to bring this pack of spoiled canines to heel... in a major way.
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Kind of like Monty Python's Spanish Inquisition,
"Nooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"


DrStrange
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Ummm... infowars?

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said by DrStrange:

Ummm... infowars?

Don't shoot the messenger or medium in this case - do you have a comment on the subject?

Would you like a strip of something, that's potentially able to drip into your drink, hovering over your glass of water?


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Everything I find is related back to this 18 month old NYT article. (not a detailed search I admit )

Playing Simon Says at Airport Security
By JOE SHARKEY
Published: March 28, 2011

»www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/busin···pBoEP8Ew
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What I wanna know is what happens when passengers start yelling "Freeze!". If TSA personnel keep moving, do they get a demerit or something?

But seriously, has TSA yet figured out that when these 'drills' become too frequent, people will simply start to ignore the command, assuming instead that it's just another pointless drill. At that point, by their own actions, they've lost control of the situation.
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To add insult to injury, my neighbor got back from Cali. the other day and bought himself one of these and one for me, he wrapped them in tinfoil and put them in his checked luggage and for some reason they missed these lol.


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Thank you.

Most of us are aware that TSA is merely security theatre rather than actual security. As I'm fond of saying, panem et circenses.

Even so, I'd like to maintain a certain signal-to-noise ratio in discussion. infowars has too much noise and not much signal, so forgive me if I sometimes filter it out without bothering to look. The closer we get to 'tinfoil-hat' subject matter in reality, the less I'm inclined to pay attention to a source known for 'tinfoil hat' material, since it's an obvious place for planting disinformation and misinformation.

TSA is meant to appear as 'McSecurity' outwardly, but this is only the beginning of the misdirection. There are two insidious processes at work here. One is the testing of complete control of the populace [infowars has cried 'wolf' about this too much for me to listen any more] and the other is misdirection on multiple levels.

I suspect that the outward appearance of incompetence is meant to act as a 'honeypot'. It draws a potential attacker in a certain direction while drawing them away from [a.] actual vulnerabilities in the system and [b.] the real security apparatus.

There are one or more other things occurring that I don't have enough information to describe or assess. I'd like to know: [a] what's going on and [b] is it a threat to democratic government in this country [and others].

I'd like to have an environment free of wolf-crying so that attempts can be made to identify everything that the misdirection is meant to obscure.

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The Capital Steps have part of the TSA's routines figured out:

»youtu.be/m1pgZN5GQak


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That looks really fresh, where does he find 2nd hand hands in such condition?


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said by EUS:

where does he find 2nd hand hands in such condition?

I may sound like a moron but you lost me there my friend, "second hand hands" ?


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said by n4bkn:

The Capital Steps have part of the TSA's routines figured out:

»youtu.be/m1pgZN5GQak

Love the Capital Steps.

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Does anyone with just a bit of a common sense expect that they will find something? I bet - they will find zero, zilch, none. It's an obvious waste of money, unless they actually have a different agenda... But what is it? What are they actually trying to say to us?
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said by OZO:

...What are they actually trying to say to us?

We have power and authority - and you don't.
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Or as Cartman would say

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Respect My Authoritah!

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Gee, sounds like just what I do at those door scanners at stores. They go off, I ignore 'em and keep walking. Let other people do the deer in the headlights "OH MY GOD I HOPE IT'S NOT ME" routine--I know it wasn't me, and it ain't me the TSA's shouting freeze at either, so keep walkin!

And if it was me, I think what I'd do is, pretend I was one of those deaf mutes.
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said by sivran:

Gee, sounds like just what I do at those door scanners at stores. They go off, I ignore 'em and keep walking. Let other people do the deer in the headlights "OH MY GOD I HOPE IT'S NOT ME" routine--I know it wasn't me, and it ain't me the TSA's shouting freeze at either, so keep walkin!

And if it was me, I think what I'd do is, pretend I was one of those deaf mutes.

But they still have you on tape.
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Gee, it's not possible there's some drug or chemical they're trying to put in those drinks, under the guise of "explosives testing", now, is it?

I'm not saying, or even suggesting, that this is what's going on, I'm just pointing out the possibility. I'll let the conspiracy theorists figure out the rest.

You already can't bring a drink through the checkpoint, which means that any drinks in the terminal were purchased there and, presumably, already screened for explosives.

More to the point, they're only checking open and visible drinks. Were someone to manage to deliver explosives into a terminal via a drink shipment and somehow manage to actually buy the "special" bottles (a scenario I proposed back when the TSA first started confiscating drinks at the checkpoint), why the hell would they keep them in plain sight, open, as though they're drinking from them, when they could just as easily slip them into their carry on?

There's no logical way the TSA can think this policy is making anyone feel any more secure, so there's definitely an ulterior motive; the doping scenario I mention above is just one of many possibilities.
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Re: Video Shows TSA's Bizarre New Security Policy

A joke, a bad, bad joke, the hand came through undetected by the TSA, not the round. The "smuggled" body part looks used, as it's aged, so the hand is 2nd-hand, and as he brought 2.....
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said by OZO:

What are they actually trying to say to us?

All of our efforts are protecting you and no, we can't tell you how many terrorist attempts we have stopped because that is a matter of national security.
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BronsCon said: " I'll let the conspiracy theorists figure out the rest."

Well, standby, this video came from the king of conspiracy theorists, Alex Jones and his website, infowars. I am sure that Jones will pontificate on this without end. He is rather comical at times.

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Has anything credible ever been posted on that site?

iknow
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checking the TSA website, there is no mention whatsoever of the TSA having police powers, just glorified security guards, that's all..


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said by ctggzg:

Has anything credible ever been posted on that site?

CBS, MSNBC, and the New York Times have all reported on the same things. So... instead of impugning the messenger, why not address the facts and implications of the reports themselves?
Flier's video puts TSA drink screening on display
TSA tests drinks after security checkpoints
Playing Simon Says at Airport Security
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said by ctggzg:

Has anything credible ever been posted on that site?

Has anything credible been found by the TSA ? The video speaks for itself.


StuartMW
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Well for many it's a case of




La la la
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said by Name Game:

said by ctggzg:

Has anything credible ever been posted on that site?

Has anything credible been found by the TSA ? The video speaks for itself.

No, every attempted attack on a plane since the TSA was created was stopped by... the passengers on the plane.