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[Cataclysm] Was the nerf too much?

I pretty much agree... the super omg heals pretty much ensures that if you have good DPS and tanks that know how to hit their cooldown buttons you should be able to steam roll the place.

Do I really care? Not really. Let people see the end of the game content and give those not so 'elite' guilds a chance to feel what it is like to actually down end game content, maybe more people will keep raiding, who knows.

On a side note, no new guilds on my server has killed spine or madness on heroic still, lol.
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reply to Venom1
Doubt it, was in an lfr and wiped on ultraxion...

reply to Venom1
I think it's fine. Main toons should be fully geared by this point. We've been running with alts and it's been super easy. I think from the 25% nerf on we've been able to have our HPally 1-heal the fights up until spine.

We're 6/8 heroic and we're kind of stuck at this point since our second tank quit in July and it's damn near impossible to PUG a tank who knows HM and isn't already committed somewhere else. Right now, we're just killing time till the Pandas arrive.

reply to Lothario
Oh come on, we all know LFR is a 'special' place

seaquake, you can't find an alt OT or someone to tank the amalg? I mean, that job is pretty easy... (assuming your 'main tank' actually can tank the adds, I know ours couldn't)
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reply to JB

that was the intent with the 35% nerf, they know that healing in heroic would be problematic with the stat changes to spirit so they did the nerf so it would be manageable, GC did a post about the intent of healing and mana and described this.
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reply to seaquake
Scrolled back a week or so ago to check out the new stuff...

Decided to hop into the guilds raid since they were short peeps. Holy crap at the nerfs.. I knew the night would be quick when Morchok fell over in about 70 seconds of combat..

Get to spine, first plate dead with about 2 seconds left on the channel, my mind was blown at the ease of the fight. Initiate the roll and the tank that would usually pull an amalg to soak bloods never had time get secured the roll happened so fast. I said F it lets try anyway, and we solo tanked and 9manned the rest of the fight killing each plate in 1 lift, pot 2nd plate hero third... IMO seaquake you should jsut try to solo tank with an extra dps the plate mechanic will be a joke and the fight will be over before bloods have a chance to be a problem.

Also I remember splitting dps to pre dott blue platform to make the dps check before i quit, I spent seriously 30% of the madness fight not attacking to not push hp%'s to low to spawn bloods or corruptions or whatever.

Also had enough time to clear 7/&h FL for some apps Rag mount..

reply to Venom1
I think the nerf is a little excessive, but at the same time I think it was a good idea. It is the end of the expac and it makes you feel powerful to be able to go in and steamroll bosses. We are actually having fun raiding now. Lol. Testing out all the new talents on different fights and trying to see how fast we can down bosses. Btw we full cleared 8/8 heroic last night in less then 2 hours and we had 2 pugs :/. But overall I think the nerf along with the new patch has brought back a lot of life into DS.

reply to Lothario

Heroics feel like normals and normals easier than LFR...

reply to Venom1
I wonder if its possible to do like the guild back in wrath that cleared raid content in just plain heroic gear...

you mean heroic dungeon gear? i378 wouldn't be hard... i346 might be a challenge.

There was a guild trying what was called a blue challenge where they were trying to down ICC after the 30% nerf in only ilvl 200 and lower blues items. Can't remember how far they got exactly, but I think it was 7/12. Anyone else have more info on it?
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reply to Immer
If you do a 8/8h run next week I'd like to join.

reply to Immer

who honestly cares if the nerf was too much? those who really raid got to experience the content they needed.

those who are not really raiders (LFR heroes, wierd becuase i can specs, etc.) get to have a taste of the watered content.

with this nerf, those who wanted to raid on their mains, got the job done. we all have alts.....no one wants to go back through the pain of wiping week after week on shit you know already until you pray to the RNG godess for gear on the alt to progress. now that achieves and titles are account wide though, there should be weekly/bi-weekly nerfs of current content in MoP. you can show off your mounts and titles on your other level eligible toons.

TLDR; No. the nerf was fine n00b "raiders" and pushing alts through content as well.
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reply to Venom1
Look back at ICC though, Even with the 30% nerfs AND the pre cata patch there really weren't many people obtaining Light of Dawn H LK Kills.. There still was a bit of a challenge to that fight albeit signifigantly less of one.. Seriously the gap from 5% nerf to 30% nerf of that fight still required a decent semblance of execution, that just simply does not exist in DS. Now normal ICC was a joke still, but many guilds still coulnd't kill Sindy or Even Lk at the end of cata. If I also remeber correctly many guilds were server xferring at the end of wrath to steal server firsts on LK because no guilds had cleared ICC .

Honestly thoguh I agree it doesn't matter, let people experience the crap. I also can see the argument of more and more catering to casuals, but honestly who cares. Clearing raid content months ago just left me with time to play several other games, that I probably wouldnt have played had I been in a casual guild.

The difference is heroic LK had pure execution mechanics that can still wipe you to this day (Shadow Traps and Defile), as well as being a beast of a numbers fight. Madness is just pure numbers, really: can you kill these mobs fast enough and can you survive this much damage? Also DS has terrible fight design overall, but Madness especially is depressing because there's nothing about it that is particularly difficult other than "I hope you can press buttons good".

I wonder how the heroic Rag kill numbers would be if he were the final tier boss, but nerfed DS-style (gradual up to 30%, but no gear inflation beyond farming H Firelands) (and I also mean without the ridiculous health nerfs as well) (also maybe a fixed Magma Geyser mechanic).

He's less "all or nothing" execution than LK, but has a lot of smart play mechanics: dodging World Aflame, effective meteor kiting, Dreadflame clearing, etc., so while more gear lets you get fewer meteors or less Dreadflame overall, it doesn't suddenly make the fight lulz worthy.