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bluepoint

join:2001-03-24

[TWC] NFL Week 2

Thursday's game is on NFL network between packers and Bears, what's up TWC? Are you going to be the lone provider without NFL?


bigred44

join:2008-02-10
Charlotte, NC
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itch

join:2008-12-06
Louisville, KY
reply to bluepoint
Yes. TWC will not have NFL network. Insight was bought out by TWC early this year and on August 1st we lost NFL network. I do not know why TWC will pick up this channel. It doesn't cost as much as ESPN.


hobgoblin
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" It doesn't cost as much as ESPN."

It does not cost as much as ESPN as it has very very little content. It does not show Monday Night Football, it does not show Baseball, it does not show Nascar, basketball, college sports, It does not show Golf, tennis, poker. You are comparing apples to Ferrets.

Hob
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bluepoint

join:2001-03-24
reply to itch
said by itch:

Yes. TWC will not have NFL network. Insight was bought out by TWC early this year and on August 1st we lost NFL network. I do not know why TWC will pick up this channel. It doesn't cost as much as ESPN.

TWC rather sell the La lakers/Galaxy than NFL. I wonder why?


hobgoblin
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"TWC rather sell the La lakers/Galaxy than NFL. I wonder why?"

I am not sure I understand what you mean.

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Satch

join:2009-11-25
reply to hobgoblin
said by hobgoblin:

" It doesn't cost as much as ESPN."

It does not cost as much as ESPN as it has very very little content. It does not show Monday Night Football, it does not show Baseball, it does not show Nascar, basketball, college sports, It does not show Golf, tennis, poker. You are comparing apples to Ferrets.

Hob

That's still the main problem. Even though the live game coverage has been expanded to what is it? Thirteen games up from eight? Even with Red Zone, you have game months from late August to late December. Unfortunately, that leaves January-July, and most of August, where TWC has to pay residuals to the NFL for NFL Network and Red Zone for a station that has taped coverage only for almost eight months out of the year.

Problem two is that people are dropping their video services in droves because of the higher rates. This article below is sort of interesting:

»news.yahoo.com/look-cable-satell···043.html

Although the article tales more about subscriber losses than earnings. TWC, and cable across the board have to find ways to make TV more appealing to its shrinking cable TV customer base. It's interesting, because I read that their Internet and Phone service is doing great! TWC has to offset what it would mean to customers not having the NFL Network, against those who would drop the TV part of their services, due to another price increase if NFL Network and presumably Red Zone are added.

What does everyone think will happen? How do you assess this from TWC's vantage point?

Satch

unoriginal
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I think that wikipedia says the NFL Network came online back in 2003. If Time Warner and the NFL really wanted to make a deal it would have happened by now. Its pretty obvious that they aren't even close in terms of a deal when like itch said, TWC took over Insight and then immediately dropped the channel.


FailOverflow

join:2011-02-23
united state
reply to hobgoblin
They created a sports channel just for the Lakers and Galaxy. Yet they cant pick up NFL Network.

It's rather ironic that their latest ads feature Victor Cruz.


chamberc
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Irving, TX
reply to bluepoint
said by bluepoint:

Thursday's game is on NFL network between packers and Bears, what's up TWC? Are you going to be the lone provider without NFL?

They're happy to include it. It's the NFL that won't allow it on the Sports Tier.


bluepoint

join:2001-03-24

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said by chamberc:

said by bluepoint:

Thursday's game is on NFL network between packers and Bears, what's up TWC? Are you going to be the lone provider without NFL?

They're happy to include it. It's the NFL that won't allow it on the Sports Tier.

That's what TWC made you believe. TWC knew NFL will not agree to be put them in the sports Tier. Why? Because everyone else didn't and for NFL to make an excemption just for TWC is absolutely insane. Their argument is not credible and therefore appears their intention is not sincere to provide the channel to their subscribers.

stuman221

join:2012-01-08
Staten Island, NY
reply to chamberc
And what cable/Sat/telco company has the NFL network in a sports tier ? Oh... NO BODY.

But TWC is looking out for your best interests, they are fighting hard for you.


Grande

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A budy of mine has grande and it's not on the standard package he has. They said he needed to add it for 5 bucks more a month. Sounds like its okay for them to do it.


JimMcCoy

join:2011-08-20
Jacksonville, NC
reply to bluepoint
The flipside of this argument however, is that if the NFL Network is not put on a sports tier, then the other channels would protest and want to be moved off of the existing sports tier.

In this instance, sticking to one's guns is preferable.

Satch

join:2009-11-25
reply to bluepoint
said by bluepoint:

said by chamberc:

said by bluepoint:

Thursday's game is on NFL network between packers and Bears, what's up TWC? Are you going to be the lone provider without NFL?

They're happy to include it. It's the NFL that won't allow it on the Sports Tier.

That's what TWC made you believe. TWC knew NFL will not agree to be put them in the sports Tier. Why? Because everyone else didn't and for NFL to make an excemption just for TWC is absolutely insane. Their argument is not credible and therefore appears their intention is not sincere to provide the channel to their subscribers.

This is the way I heard the NFL Network Argument has stood:

NFL: "We have reached an agreement with 9/10 of the top cable providers in the country by offering reasonable negotiated market deals which all have accepted, spare TWC. We have agreements for channel carriage generally on expanded Digital Basic for NFL Network and Sports Pass for Red Zone, which the general market has excepted."

TWC: "We still don't see the value in a channel that shows only 13 live games a season with taped coverage the rest of the year at the rate the NFL wants. It's getting closer than in the past, but it is still too high." We want both NFL Network AND RedZone on Sports Pass, so that customers who don't want those channels don't have to pay for them."

NFL: "TWC refuses to accepted a market deal with NFL Network on Digital Standard or Variety Package. They want BOTH NFL Network and NFL Red Zone on Sports Pass. We would consent to Red Zone on Sports Pass, but believe that a broader market would see NFL Network on TWC if the main channel was at least on Digital Variety or Expanded Basic.

In other words, TWC wants a deal with both channels on Sports Pass, that none of the other providers who have NFL Network have both channels on Sports Pass. TWC wants a deal on top of a deal. And that's the problem.

My belief is that the NFL Network has enough carriage agreements, while they believe it would be nice to have TWC added to the list. they make enough money without having them. I think both sides are probably sick of negotiating and the only way that any progress is going to be made is if Sunday Ticket comes to cable. I heard TWC wanted Sunday Ticket as a part of the last negotiations. But Direct TV has exclusive rights for Sunday Ticket. There is gonna have to be some big thing like that to get negotiations going again. If not, there is a possibility that we will never see NFL Network on TWC.

Satch


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said by Satch:

TWC wants a deal on top of a deal. And that's the problem.

I agree with that. That happened with ESPN360 when TWC refused to include that service for a long time as well.

One move that could parallel the situation with the NFL Network is the CBS Sports Network where it moved from the Sports tier to the Variety tier.

In the case of ESPN360, ESPN created some online access to the broadcast channels that nobody else had at the time to get TWC onboard.

For the CBS Sports Network, CBS exchanged the broadcast rights to a set of college football & basketball games which will now be shown on Time Warner Cable SportsNet instead.

So if it is true that Time Warner Cable SportsNet wants to be a national network, then they will need much more programming. My suspicion is that TWC would put the NFL Network on Variety/Digital Basic if the NFL gave Time Warner Cable SportsNet an agreeable block of programming. Probably not live games but something that would be of some interest to NFL fans.

Therefore in my opinion is that if a deal is going to get done, this is the best time. All the other big systems have the network, so both parties probably just want to just get it over with. Plus TWC needs programs for their new sports channel, so both sides could benefit if something NFL-related was on that new network.


chamberc
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reply to bluepoint
said by bluepoint:

said by chamberc:

said by bluepoint:

Thursday's game is on NFL network between packers and Bears, what's up TWC? Are you going to be the lone provider without NFL?

They're happy to include it. It's the NFL that won't allow it on the Sports Tier.

That's what TWC made you believe. TWC knew NFL will not agree to be put them in the sports Tier. Why? Because everyone else didn't and for NFL to make an excemption just for TWC is absolutely insane. Their argument is not credible and therefore appears their intention is not sincere to provide the channel to their subscribers.

For some reason, I thought the NFL network was related to sports.

Satch

join:2009-11-25

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said by chamberc:

For some reason, I thought the NFL network was related to sports.

The problem is the NFL does not want NFL Network on Optional Sports Pass, because only about 30% of subs take that optional package. It might actually be 30%-40%. They want more broadband exposure on TWC by insisting what all other markets have already agreed, placement on Digital Variety or equivalent, or Digital Basic. That service tier is taken by about 90% of those with cable. The NFL will consent to Red Zone on Sports Pass, but not its main network. Although I think what TWC and the NFL fail to realize are the number of people who would subscribe to Sports Pass if NFL Network was a part of that package. However, that rate of population interest is still not as strong if the channel were offered to Digital Variety or Expanded Basic subs.

However, if the NFL went that route, they would still be making concessions to TWC that would be above standard negotiations, which the NFL did not have to do for anyone else. What makes TWC any more special than any other cable company, where the NFL should give them treatment offered to none of the nine other carriers? Market dealings were not an issue to get deals done with the other companies, so the NFL says "Why do we have to make concessions to TWC, offered to no one else to get a deal done?"

I also think TWC is more concerned about cable TV cord-cutting than the NFL Network. My view is that TWC wants something that would make the NFL Network more appealing during the off-season, because right now, TWC executives see the "Only thirteen games." over less than four months for residuals that have to be paid all year." TWC is looking for value in a lower distribution price or something that sustains interest in the NFL after the season ends. Maybe if TWC would promote their Start Over and Look-back Service for the channel? it might get the NFL interested in talking again.

My guess is that the NFL is probably at about 60 cents per sub at an asking price for NFL Network, and 30 cents for Red Zone. That 90 cents total for 13 games, needs something more when the season ends. TWC would probably like to see no more than 40 cents per sub for NFL Network and 25 cents for Red Zone.

However, citing the above, NFL thinks, why do we need to make concessions for TWC, when all other providers have agreed to a broadband distribution market deal?

Satch

Happydude32
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reply to bluepoint
What really sucks about this whole thing is while the NFL Network, would be great especially now that the channel has more games, I want the NFL Red Zone channel, NOT the DirecTV Red Zone channel. I’ve been watching NFL Red Zone on my phone using a hacked version of Verizon’s exclusive NFL Mobile app for the past two seasons. And granted, I’ve only had one day of DirecTV Red Zone, but honestly, I just don’t care for it that much. I feel the NFL Network does an overall better presentation. It’s unfortunate that most Time Warner subscribers won’t be able to watch the oldest rivalry in the NFL later tonight.
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bluepoint

join:2001-03-24
It’s unfortunate that all Time Warner subscribers won’t be able to watch the oldest rivalry in the NFL later tonight.


hobgoblin
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said by bluepoint:

It’s unfortunate that all Time Warner subscribers won’t be able to watch the oldest rivalry in the NFL later tonight.

I am quite certain that some will be watching at various eating and drinking establishments.

Hob
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Happydude32
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I know I’m a rarity, but I’ll be watching it on my DirecTV set up, and as Hob said many will be watching it at sports bars, and Verizon Wireless customers may be able to watch it via the NFL app.


bluepoint

join:2001-03-24
I'd rather watch it at home and be fresh in the morning for work. If it was a friday or weekend then it might be a different story. However, we are getting off topic, hobs likes that.

itch

join:2008-12-06
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I am a Insight customer and we don't have NFL network because when TWC bought us out we lost the NFL network at the end of July. I am missing a great game tonight. TWC gave us NBATV for this channel. They do not know that Louisville is a college town not NBA town.
I want my NFL network back.


hobgoblin
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said by itch:

I am a Insight customer and we don't have NFL network because when TWC bought us out we lost the NFL network at the end of July. I am missing a great game tonight. TWC gave us NBATV for this channel. They do not know that Louisville is a college town not NBA town.
I want my NFL network back.

The same thing happened here in Buffalo after the take over of Adelphia by Time Warner. I guess if the NFL Network is a deal breaker for you, you have to do what you think best.

Hob
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bluepoint

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said by hobgoblin:

The same thing happened here in Buffalo after the take over of Adelphia by Time Warner.

Hob

How long ago did TWC took over Adelphia in Buffalo? Adelphia had NFL?


hobgoblin
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"How long ago did TWC took over Adelphia in Buffalo? Adelphia had NFL?"

Not sure exactly but over 5 years ago. Yes Adelphia had the NFL Network which was why I stated it in my post.

Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
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Happydude32
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Adelphia Communications was officially pronounced dead on July 31, 2006. Time Warner dropped NFL Network on August 1st, on all Adelphia and Comcast systems they acquired. On August 3rd, the FCC ordered that Time Warner reinstate NFL Network on those systems for the next 30 days as they violated the FCC 30 Days notice rule. After a month had passed the channel was removed for good in early September.

»www.broadcastingcable.com/articl···_Now.php
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hobgoblin
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Good Info thank You


mitchell

join:2002-06-21
Darlington, SC
reply to bluepoint
I just changed to TWC and I am ticked that the NFL Network nor Red Zone is available....I had to listen to the guys on audio for the game last night.....that blows...
hmmm may have to get a DirecTV sub again...