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JBear

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Re: [Hockey] Official~ NHL thread...........scores and highlites

Yes this whole thing seems a little sideways to me. I'm not exactly sure what is being said at the bargaining table but it's starting to get a little frustrating. At least we are hearing less and less of "Mandel and his damn legacy arena" or "we don't need a white elephant arena" and etc etc. Some people here are really angry that 30+ year old Rexall Place (which was built with the cheapest design) is being replaced with tax payer money when we have pot holes to fill.



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I think there is a good hockey market in Seattle and Seattle has long hockey tradition... Where they not the first American city to win the Stanley Cup?

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Stanl···p_Finals

Would the Seattle have to compensate the Canucks for territorial rights? If, wouldn't the Canucks have to approve this relocation into their backyard....



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said by vue666:

Would the Seattle have to compensate the Canucks for territorial rights? If, wouldn't the Canucks have to approve this relocation into their backyard....

Seattle isn't right on the border... Im pretty sure its at least 200km away... Though I'm not sure what the nhl's distance requirement is.


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said by HiVolt:

Seattle isn't right on the border... Im pretty sure its at least 200km away... Though I'm not sure what the nhl's distance requirement is.

It's 227km according to this map, as anyone with 15 seconds of interest could have figured out. Given that Ottawa and Montreal are separated by 200km when using the same style of mapping query (reference map), I can't see how Vancouver can say a word.

That said, Seattle's current arena (KeyArena) is worse than Rexall Place and since construction on the new one won't be breaking ground for at least 18 months due to traffic studies, environmental studies and the like, it'll be years before anything is ready. I think Seattle has a better shot at getting the Panthers/Ducks/Lightning/Predators/Blue Jackets/Sharks/etc than the NHL allowing a team to move south of the border. An even more likely scenario would be one of the two expansion teams that the league wants to get to 32 teams (4 divisions of 8) because all the other teams make money off expansion fees.
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A team in Seattle would be cool. There would be an immediate rivalry with the Canucks. But I wouldn't want to see one there at the unnecessary expense of one of the Canadian teams.



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The league can't expand now, with so many franchises failing financially...



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said by HiVolt:

The league can't expand now, with so many franchises failing financially...

Yeah, expansion should be off the table until they move the existing failing franchises into profitable (read: mostly Canadian) markets.


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said by HiVolt:

The league can't expand now, with so many franchises failing financially...

Yeah, expansion should be off the table until they move the existing failing franchises into profitable (read: mostly Canadian) markets.

I agree, but Gary Bettman's ego doesn't. Does anyone remember how fake his 'congratulations' to Winnipeg was at the draft? He didn't want to do it, and he spat it out through clenched teeth, because he was so pissed that they had managed to meet his near-impossible list of conditions to move the franchise. He likes the increase in revenue, I'm sure, but his ego took a blow because his 'southern expansion' took a shot and his ego doesn't like taking shots (it's big, but fragile).

Besides, expansion means money for all the other teams, and that'll help them with their financial situations in the short term so he'll be all for that. It also means he doesn't have to deal with disappointment of the city being left and possible conflict with teams around where the moving team is relocating too.
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said by HiVolt:

The league can't expand now, with so many franchises failing financially...

I'm all for the league getting smaller. Maybe down to 26 teams.

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said by FaxCap:

I'm all for the league getting smaller. Maybe down to 26 teams.

You might be, but the owners aren't. Contraction is serious, and doesn't make sense when there are four markets you can move teams to where there is a lot of money to be made.


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said by Gone:

said by FaxCap:

I'm all for the league getting smaller. Maybe down to 26 teams.

You might be, but the owners aren't. Contraction is serious, and doesn't make sense when there are four markets you can move teams to where there is a lot of money to be made.

I hear ya, Gone but I still find the league a bit watered down. Most
4th lines are really just AHL players living their dream.

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I don't disagree, but realistically contraction just isn't going to happen.



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said by vue666:

I think there is a good hockey market in Seattle and Seattle has long hockey tradition

Before the Canucks moved up to the NHL they were in the old
Western Hockey League. The Seattle team were the Totems and
Portland were the Buckaroos. All 3 had a great rivalry!!!

There were many a bloodbath at the old Vancouver Forum.

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said by FaxCap:

said by HiVolt:

The league can't expand now, with so many franchises failing financially...

I'm all for the league getting smaller. Maybe down to 26 teams.

FaxCap

Anybody remember the good ol' days when 16 of 21 teams made the playoffs?
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Yup...played a 80 game schedule to eliminate 5 teams... LOL

OR how about the original 6 when 4 of the 6 teams made it...



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said by FaxCap:

said by vue666:

I think there is a good hockey market in Seattle and Seattle has long hockey tradition

Before the Canucks moved up to the NHL they were in the old
Western Hockey League. The Seattle team were the Totems and
Portland were the Buckaroos. All 3 had a great rivalry!!!

There were many a bloodbath at the old Vancouver Forum.

FaxCap

In the late 1960s and early 70s I used to purchase the Hockey News. I remember they had a section on the WHL as well as the AHL, Central Pro Hockey League, EHL & IHL...

I can't remember correctly but I believe the WHL was somewhere between the NHL and AHL as far as talent. Wasn't the WHL more independent from the NHL as opposed to the AHL?

I believe there were rumours the WHL wanted to become a rival to the NHL and one of the reasons the Canucks were admitted into the NHL. This was of course prior to the WHA...


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said by vue666:

I believe there were rumours the WHL wanted to become a rival to the NHL and one of the reasons the Canucks were admitted into the NHL. This was of course prior to the WHA...

I believe you're correct, yes. I also believe that the IHL tried to pull off something similar in the 90s despite acting as a farm league for the NHL, and the rapid expansion into NHL markets ended up killing the league.


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I haven't looked it up, but I think the league you're referring to was the Pacific Coast Hockey League (PCHL). I think the WHL was pretty much always a junior league because teams like the Edmonton Oil Kings, Saskatoon Blades, Regina St. Pats all have a long history of junior hockey, not pro.

As well, the International Hockey League (IHL) was the main rival to the NHL for decades, even though many of the teams had farm affiliations with the NHL. The I just never had the deep pockets to pay players top dollar. Through the 50's, 60's and 70's, the only things the NHL had going for them were some of the best players in the world, a monopolistic stranglehold on the biggest markets in the East, and HNIC. Those three things protected them from the plethora of pro leagues all over the continent.

Edit: it would appear we are talking about the same league as the WHL grew out of a merger with the PCHL.

»en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_···%931974)

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Shaner....thanks for the link. Nice find...