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C0RR0SIVE88

@direcway.com
reply to Doc Lithius

Re: [Installer] HT1000 My first install!

Currently you will see 600-800ms on Gen4 (can't get much lower with satellite), it is honestly a very great experience compared to previous offerings from Hughesnet in most categories except for one, and that is the bandwidth allotments. If you don't use much bandwidth, it is honestly great. If you need more allowance, look elsewhere.

But I can say this, very little delay, no buffering of videos, seems almost 100% accurate in counting daily/nightly usage compared to WB.

sharkyyoung
Premium
join:2012-03-15
Reno, NV
Nice to hear Corrosive thanks for the info, one question I have read that there is only one cable from the dish to the modem, is this correct? I understand if you don't answer because of the NDA.

sharkyyoung
Premium
join:2012-03-15
Reno, NV

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY
reply to sharkyyoung
One cable for both RX and TX, not too concerned about NDA with some things such as the install of the system, since AFAIK, residential installs have started. Anyone going from HN9000 to Gen4 should be able to re-use the old cables, well, one of them. They appear to be the same type of coax.

The new modem is sexy though :3

I really need to remember to log in when I post these days... >_


Kman08

@direcway.com
Corrosive, another good question. What is the cable that the new GEN 4 is using? I know now I am using the 3ghz dual cable for the TX/RX. And I just put new 3" underground conduit in this summer. I would hate to have to dig that all up! GRRR! Can you elaborate on the type of cable. Let me check out that link to the article and see what that was about. Thanks.


Kman08

@direcway.com
reply to sharkyyoung
Sharky, thanks for posting the link I read through it. But it still left me wondering, can one of the lines the fed the HN7000S modem still be used. I just put brand new dual data 3G cable in the ground out to our dish and would hate to have to redo all that. I suppose that with a steel fishing tool and some wire lubricant I might be able to fish the wire through. That would be fun I am pretty sure. As I bet the cable would get hung up at the corners, given the fact that the internet coax is not the only line down there. There is the cable for the HD antenna as well as Dish Networks cables for their HD and analog too. So sometimes the cables get a little freaked up inside the pipe along the 100/110ft or so distance. Is it still a 3Ghz cable? Or some kind of a special cable with a dual core in it??

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY

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reply to Kman08
Don't know much about differences between cables, but on the side of it, it says RG6 18AWG, W/M, BC (i think), 60% A1, Braid Swept to 3Ghz, U/V.

Looks to be same as the old cable, except it's not a double strand.

Hopefully I haven't given out too much information to violate NDA, I would never violate it intentionally, just some things seem to be more of a, if consumer X knows that the system supports it, will they be more interested or relieved. XD


Kman08

@direcway.com
Dual copper core then?

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY
No idea, how would one tell? I just see a single copper strand... XD I know nothing about coax honestly.

Looks like this pretty much, »www.homecontrols.com/RG6-U-Bulk-···RG605MES

Don't know if the specs are the same, but that looks like the same cable. xD


Kman08

@direcway.com
hmm, I might be able to work around that messenger wire by using the second cable of the Siamese one that is down there now to act in it's place. But I notice that cable is about identical to what Dish Network is using to handle their High Def stuff. Where is that messenger wire hooking to? Ground? Are you an installer Corrosive?

sharkyyoung
Premium
join:2012-03-15
Reno, NV
reply to Kman08
said by Kman08 :

Sharky, thanks for posting the link I read through it. But it still left me wondering, can one of the lines the fed the HN7000S modem still be used. I just put brand new dual data 3G cable in the ground out to our dish and would hate to have to redo all that. I suppose that with a steel fishing tool and some wire lubricant I might be able to fish the wire through. That would be fun I am pretty sure. As I bet the cable would get hung up at the corners, given the fact that the internet coax is not the only line down there. There is the cable for the HD antenna as well as Dish Networks cables for their HD and analog too. So sometimes the cables get a little freaked up inside the pipe along the 100/110ft or so distance. Is it still a 3Ghz cable? Or some kind of a special cable with a dual core in it??


sharkyyoung
Premium
join:2012-03-15
Reno, NV
reply to Kman08
said by Kman08 :

Sharky, thanks for posting the link I read through it. But it still left me wondering, can one of the lines the fed the HN7000S modem still be used. I just put brand new dual data 3G cable in the ground out to our dish and would hate to have to redo all that. I suppose that with a steel fishing tool and some wire lubricant I might be able to fish the wire through. That would be fun I am pretty sure. As I bet the cable would get hung up at the corners, given the fact that the internet coax is not the only line down there. There is the cable for the HD antenna as well as Dish Networks cables for their HD and analog too. So sometimes the cables get a little freaked up inside the pipe along the 100/110ft or so distance. Is it still a 3Ghz cable? Or some kind of a special cable with a dual core in it??

Kman08
I had my 7000 upgraded to the 9000 a while ago and did not have to change the cable, as far as I can tell you should still be able to use your existing cable for the Gen4, as long as it is good.


Kman08

@direcway.com
Super good, if that is the way it goes. Crossing fingers.

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY
reply to Kman08
Not an installer, just someone with an NDA.

I will say, these pages are loading in under one second for me.
Also, the wire is grounded on the dish, but the end on the inside goes to nothing, just wrapped around the cable.


Suckers

@direcway.com
reply to C0RR0SIVE88

Its nothing more than a black Hole!

@CORROSIVE88
With a total of 40 of so users having the entire Gen 4 satellite all to them selves your assessment is somewhat irreverent.

How about throwing 2 Million users on the Gen4 Satellite as HughsNet has plans for overselling and lets see how fast your assessment gets sucked into a Black Hole of nothingness!

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY

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Far more than 40 people friend, far more. I also can not give a number to that, but it is far more than 40. So your statement is still invalid. Also, 2 million, on a 100Gbps satellite won't do much, most websites won't push to you at 10Mbps for most anything, honestly, most web browsing I barely see a site push above 4Mbps to me, and it's only for fractions of a second.

Now if that 2 million was pulling 10Mbps all at one time for extended durations, yea, it might cause a few issues, but not as badly as you would think.

Doc, I could have sworn that Northern Michigan was on the theoretical map... Maybe they don't yet have all the information? Or the signal just can't make it there and be steady?
Below is the only thing I can find, which was just a theoretical map based upon what Viasat had I am going to assume.


EDIT: I found something that is apparently more accurate..

JSheridan

join:2006-07-03
USA
That orange and blue map was what they anticipated pre-launch. I understand they are getting more out of the foot print now that it's up there and working.

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY
said by JSheridan:

That orange and blue map was what they anticipated pre-launch. I understand they are getting more out of the foot print now that it's up there and working.

Actually, that is the most recent map where service is going to be sold and can be used...

Number 31 at this link: »gen4.hughesnet.com/learn-more/questions

The theorized map is the one that depicts the two satellites and uses shades of green on the map.

JSheridan

join:2006-07-03
USA
said by C0RR0SIVE:

said by JSheridan:

That orange and blue map was what they anticipated pre-launch. I understand they are getting more out of the foot print now that it's up there and working.

Actually, that is the most recent map where service is going to be sold and can be used...

Number 31 at this link: »gen4.hughesnet.com/learn-more/questions

The theorized map is the one that depicts the two satellites and uses shades of green on the map.

#31 that you pointed to specifically says 'pre-sales'. We were told at the HughesNet meeting by the HughesNet big wigs a couple of weeks ago that the foot print is much better and actual sales will be expanded to the areas of the green map.

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY
Strikes me as odd when they aren't taking "pre-sales" when the system is now being sold from the way things are looking with installs starting for non-beta users. Just an opinion... Once installs start, it's no longer a pre-sale. Either keep the maps updated, or don't post them up on the sales pages and hope that users will keep looking a few weeks later when they want to buy now.

They will be advertising Gen4 as nation wide just like WildBlue soonish. So yea, those areas will be "Gen4" but will they hit the Gen4 bird, or the older Spaceway3 bird? Was that made clear at your meeting?

JSheridan

join:2006-07-03
USA
said by C0RR0SIVE:

Strikes me as odd when they aren't taking "pre-sales" when the system is now being sold from the way things are looking with installs starting for non-beta users. Just an opinion... Once installs start, it's no longer a pre-sale. Either keep the maps updated, or don't post them up on the sales pages and hope that users will keep looking a few weeks later when they want to buy now.

They will be advertising Gen4 as nation wide just like WildBlue soonish. So yea, those areas will be "Gen4" but will they hit the Gen4 bird, or the older Spaceway3 bird? Was that made clear at your meeting?

They said at the meeting that the orange map was for pre-sales before the service was turned on and the foot print would be expanded when the satellite was in service and could be tested for coverage. I just put in an address to check availability in Plattsburgh NY, in far northern New York right next to the Canadian border, and it said the new Jupiter plans are available there. That is way north of the line on the pre-sales orange map, which runs across the middle of New York state.

C0RR0SIVE

join:2012-06-19
Salvisa, KY
Interesting, I wonder when they plan on releasing an actual map that shows exactly where service is confirmed.

JSheridan

join:2006-07-03
USA
said by C0RR0SIVE:

Interesting, I wonder when they plan on releasing an actual map that shows exactly where service is confirmed.

That would be great, but I'm not holding my breath.

monicakm

join:2005-03-12
Grand Saline, TX
reply to C0RR0SIVE

Re: [Installer] HT1000 My first install!

A "sexy" modem??? Looks aren't everything ya know