 vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Re: Canadian comes home from Guantanamo Just another Canadian citizen? hardly...how many Canadians do you know are supporters of Al Qaeda? Convicted of being a terrorist? Took up arms against their country and it's allies? His name is near most a household name in Canada, how many other Canadians are?
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| said by vue666:Just another Canadian citizen? A Canadian citizen, just like you, with the same rights and priviliges.
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| said by DKS:A Canadian citizen, just like you, with the same rights and priviliges.
Well I'm a Canadian citizen too, and I've never plead guilty to "murder in violation of the laws of war, attempted murder in violation of the laws of war, conspiracy, two counts of providing material support for terrorism and spying."
If I had, I think I might assume that my "rights and privileges" would be curtailed somewhat compared to the average citizen.
He's eligible for parole next summer. That's by no means a guarantee that he'll receive it. And if he does, there will likely be conditions interfering with his "rights and privileges" as parole conditions.
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N of 49th | said by Ian:Well I'm a Canadian citizen too, and I've never plead guilty to "murder in violation of the laws of war, attempted murder in violation of the laws of war, conspiracy, two counts of providing material support for terrorism and spying." True, but do you think you might after 8 years of psychological warfare (along with who knows what else, like waterboarding perhaps) in Gitmo? Just to get it to stop? I like to think I'm pretty strong mentally, but given some of the tactics that have been spoken of being used in GB, I'm not sure I could last 8 years without doing something to make it stop, including signing a 'confession' of something I didn't do.
He didn't accept that plea bargain until he'd been in detention in either Bagram or Guantanamo bay for almost a third of his life. No matter how screwed up his 10-15 year span was, I shudder to think what he endured during the time in detainment would do to anyone regardless of their state when they went in.
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said by Ian:Well I'm a Canadian citizen too, and I've never plead guilty to "murder in violation of the laws of war, attempted murder in violation of the laws of war, conspiracy, two counts of providing material support for terrorism and spying."
Did he do that?
It's a written fact that he *had* to confess to that to get the plea deal to be sent back home to Canada. It was in all the papers.
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DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002
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said by Ian:said by DKS:A Canadian citizen, just like you, with the same rights and priviliges.
Well I'm a Canadian citizen too, and I've never plead guilty to "murder in violation of the laws of war, attempted murder in violation of the laws of war, conspiracy, two counts of providing material support for terrorism and spying." If I had, I think I might assume that my "rights and privileges" would be curtailed somewhat compared to the average citizen. He's eligible for parole next summer. That's by no means a guarantee that he'll receive it. And if he does, there will likely be conditions interfering with his "rights and privileges" as parole conditions. Why would your rights and priviluiges as a citizen be any different from his? If you believe that, you just tossed the Charter into the dumpster.
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said by Kardinal:He didn't accept that plea bargain until he'd been in detention in either Bagram or Guantanamo bay for almost a third of his life. No matter how screwed up his 10-15 year span was, I shudder to think what he endured during the time in detainment would do to anyone regardless of their state when they went in.
OK. Want to claim his guilty plea, conviction and sentence was unfair? Go ahead and do so. My point was that there are numerous things about Omar Khadr that make him quite unlike the "average" Canadian citizen. As such, there will indeed be conditions placed on him upon his release. Which I hope is much later rather than sooner.
I have sympathy for Khadr, but a tempered amount. I knew right from wrong at 15. Was that because I didn't grow up in a brain-washed environment? Maybe. I don't know. Could make a genetic argument as well. Quite likely that evil, terrorist parents beget evil, terrorist kids through numerous mechanisms.... The problem is that the guy is messed up and possibly still dangerous, for whatever reasons.
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said by DKS:said by Ian:said by DKS:A Canadian citizen, just like you, with the same rights and priviliges.
Well I'm a Canadian citizen too, and I've never plead guilty to "murder in violation of the laws of war, attempted murder in violation of the laws of war, conspiracy, two counts of providing material support for terrorism and spying." If I had, I think I might assume that my "rights and privileges" would be curtailed somewhat compared to the average citizen. He's eligible for parole next summer. That's by no means a guarantee that he'll receive it. And if he does, there will likely be conditions interfering with his "rights and privileges" as parole conditions. Why would your rights and priviluiges as a citizen be any different from his? If you believe that, you just tossed the Charter into the dumpster. Maybe because Ian is not offensive to section one for example. |
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said by DKS:Why would your rights and priviluiges as a citizen be any different from his? If you believe that, you just tossed the Charter into the dumpster.
My point is that it wouldn't be any different. My rights as a citizen, convicted of murder and terrorism, and on parole would BE different than the rights I enjoy now.
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said by DKS:said by vue666:Just another Canadian citizen? A Canadian citizen, just like you, with the same rights and privileges. Except he might have more privileges if the gets his $10 million smackers from you and I.
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| After half a life of torture by the US, and denied his rights as a Canadian, why not?
Got a problem with that? Need a dozen years of torture in your life? Bet you wouldn't last a week. |
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On October 25, 2010, Khadr pleaded guilty to murder in violation of the laws of war, attempted murder in violation of the laws of war, conspiracy, two counts of providing material support for terrorism and spying.
Sounds like nice boy who just needs a little love. 
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DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002
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said by Ian:said by DKS:Why would your rights and priviluiges as a citizen be any different from his? If you believe that, you just tossed the Charter into the dumpster.
My point is that it wouldn't be any different. My rights as a citizen, convicted of murder and terrorism, and on parole would BE different than the rights I enjoy now. Not after you have served your sentence, including any parole (should you obtain it).
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said by Wolfie00: quote:
On October 25, 2010, Khadr pleaded guilty to murder in violation of the laws of war, attempted murder in violation of the laws of war, conspiracy, two counts of providing material support for terrorism and spying.
Sounds like nice boy who just needs a little love. Never let facts get in your way. What facts? He is serving eight years in prison. The question of his parole is entirely in the hands of the parole board, no matter what politicians, the media and those who think otherwise say. Those are the facts.
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said by hm :It's a written fact that he *had* to confess to that to get the plea deal to be sent back home to Canada. It was in all the papers.
Or have we forgotten that?
we have not forgotten that the US's attempt to get him to confess and his confession was as much a farce as this.
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said by DKS:said by Ian:said by DKS:Why would your rights and priviluiges as a citizen be any different from his? If you believe that, you just tossed the Charter into the dumpster.
My point is that it wouldn't be any different. My rights as a citizen, convicted of murder and terrorism, and on parole would BE different than the rights I enjoy now. Not after you have served your sentence, including any parole (should you obtain it). Is this be unnecessarily argumentative day?
said by DKS:A Canadian citizen, just like you, with the same rights and priviliges.
He has neither served his sentence, or the terms of his (hypothetical) parole. Why not make the point after he's done either?
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DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002
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| said by Ian:Is this be unnecessarily argumentative day?
Only pointing out silly, nonsensical arguments. But reason, logic and sensibility seem to have gone out the window for racism, emotion and ignorance (not that your points are any of those...)
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| said by DKS:But reason, logic and sensibility seem to have gone out the window for racism, ...)
Did someone make a racist argument that got modded-out? Because there haven't been any made that I've seen.
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