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elwoodblues
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Toronto Plastic Bag Ban Upheld

The loony left on Toronto's City Council have banded together and stopped the 2/3'rds required to re-open the motion to ban plastic bags in Toronto.

It's bad enough that Metro/Loblaws/Shoppers and many other chains continue to collect the bag tax enriching themselves,but now they're salivating at the fact that they'll no longer have to purchase plastic bags (adding to the bottom line).

Watch the above chains roll this out nationwide ,like they did the bag tax, which is just another revenue stream for them.

The irony is I can buy plastic itchen catchers,garbage bags, put my meat and veggies in plastic bags,and a host of other plastic bag products, but let me take my groceries home in a plastic bag... Oh no, that will damage the environment.

Not to mention that the same plastic bags do double duty , kitty litter, doggie doo, line my garbage pail etc...

Now that it's been finalized I really hope the Independent grocers and plastics industry come out and sue the morons at City Hall. Hopefully this will wake up the downtowners to vote the morons who keep spending their tax dollars on dumb ideas out of office (wishful thinking of course).
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capdjq
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I feel your pain although we don't have a plastic bag ban yet. The plastic bag ban is probably the biggest scam encouraged by politicians. I am now charged 4-10 cents, to get a bag, everytime I purchase groceries.


loosedobbs

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said by elwoodblues:

The loony left on Toronto's City Council have banded together and stopped the 2/3'rds required to re-open the motion to ban plastic bags in Toronto.
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Now that it's been finalized I really hope the Independent grocers and plastics industry come out and sue the morons at City Hall. Hopefully this will wake up the downtowners to vote the morons who keep spending their tax dollars on dumb ideas out of office (wishful thinking of course).

Correct
and hope this gets solved in court.

Madwand

join:2002-12-03
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I wish there was some law firm looking at a class action lawsuit. I'd certainly throw in my name. Our city is the most stupidest, and the leader of that (but strangely not in this case) is "Mayor" Ford!


Paolo
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its about time. this stupid plastic bag ban was driving me nuts, i would have to go north of steeles to do my shopping, now i can shop in toronto and still buy those 5 cent bags (6 cent with taX) from the grocery store south of steeles
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said by Paolo:

its about time. this stupid plastic bag ban was driving me nuts, i would have to go north of steeles to do my shopping, now i can shop in toronto and still buy those 5 cent bags (6 cent with taX) from the grocery store south of steeles

Psst.... "Upheld" means that they kept the ban, not that they got rid of it.


donoreo
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said by bt:

said by Paolo:

its about time. this stupid plastic bag ban was driving me nuts, i would have to go north of steeles to do my shopping, now i can shop in toronto and still buy those 5 cent bags (6 cent with taX) from the grocery store south of steeles

Psst.... "Upheld" means that they kept the ban, not that they got rid of it.

LOL! Nice one!
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Paolo
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what are you talking about? what the firetruck? tell me your joking


J E F F
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said by Paolo:

what are you talking about? what the firetruck? tell me your joking

No plastic bags in Toronto. It will spread through-out the rest of Ontario. At some point, a massive amount of people are going to die because of diseases that the reusable bags harbour and someone is going to get sued and at which point, the city of Toronto explodes into oblivion 2 seconds before the finish of game 7 of the Maple Leafs vs Dallas game, in which the Leafs had a nice 8-1 lead.
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elwoodblues
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It seems to protect their collective legal asses, they are going to hold "public hearings' next month in which you can give a 5 minute deposition.

Boy oh boy...


horsey

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said by J E F F:

said by Paolo:

what are you talking about? what the firetruck? tell me your joking

No plastic bags in Toronto. It will spread through-out the rest of Ontario. At some point, a massive amount of people are going to die because of diseases that the reusable bags harbour and someone is going to get sued and at which point, the city of Toronto explodes into oblivion 2 seconds before the finish of game 7 of the Maple Leafs vs Dallas game, in which the Leafs had a nice 8-1 lead.

That is good I was having a bad day until I READ that.


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When Justin Trudeau becomes PM of Canada he will stop this madness dead in its tracks. Can't wait for that.


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said by Xstar_Lumini:

When Justin Trudeau becomes PM of Canada he will stop this madness dead in its tracks. Can't wait for that.

What does Trudeau have to do with TORONTO?!?

The City of Toronto is given 100% of it's authority by the Province of Ontario. The feds have NOTHING to do with it.
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said by TLS2000:

said by Xstar_Lumini:

When Justin Trudeau becomes PM of Canada he will stop this madness dead in its tracks. Can't wait for that.

What does Trudeau have to do with TORONTO?!?

The City of Toronto is given 100% of it's authority by the Province of Ontario. The feds have NOTHING to do with it.

Have you heard of sarcasm?


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said by Xstar_Lumini:

Have you heard of sarcasm?

Coming from you I couldn't be sure...
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Have you not heard of Justin Trudeau? He's 7 foot tall. And if HE were Prime Minister he'd consume the left-wing idiots of the Toronto City Council with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.


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said by Ian:

Have you not heard of Justin Trudeau? He's 7 foot tall. And if HE were Prime Minister he'd consume the left-wing idiots of the Toronto City Council with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.

LOL.

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So why don't you guys just use these bags? They even have handles! They also hold about 3 times what plastic bags hold, so you need a lot fewer bags to carry your groceries. Our supermarket uses them (no extra charge).

»www.durobag.com/Standard/Product···=13&f=10


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That's the issue,the bylaw that got repealed, said that stores must offer a "free" alternative to plastic bags, such as boxes or paper bags.

They all decided to go down the route of reusable bags, which you have to wash to keep sanitary, so how is that being green, using more water and detergents?

And it's not even about being "green" anymore, they chains have figured out they can now monetize something they used to give away Plastic bags are a nickel (plus HST), if they bring in paper bags, you bet your bottom dollar the price won't be a nickel , they'll figure some way to make money on that too.

They claim they give the money to environmental causes, but they don't tell you who or how much. The money they used to spend on such causes now is funded by the plastic bag tax instead of being true corporate philanthropists, they passed down the cost of being charitable to us (but they get the tax break).

The city lawyer warned the loony left that they can't pass this by-law and they told her (my words) to pound sand and draft a by-law by November.

And now because they're so fucken stupid, it's going cost us even more money, the Ontario Convenience Stores Association and Canadian Plastics Industry Association , are threatening to take the city to court. I'll admit the latter is being self serving.

And as i mentioned above, this will spread across the country, just the bag tax , that was Toronto Centric only.
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That's what elections are for. Kick these people out. Problem solved.


J E F F
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said by Bob4:


So why don't you guys just use these bags? They even have handles! They also hold about 3 times what plastic bags hold, so you need a lot fewer bags to carry your groceries. Our supermarket uses them (no extra charge).

»www.durobag.com/Standard/Product···=13&f=10

Probably because they are too damned cheap to buy bags like that. Why would they when they can ear 5 cents per piece of cheap as pennies plastic bags.

They don't even off paper bags around here...
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said by Bob4:

That's what elections are for. Kick these people out. Problem solved.

There's been a steady exodus of business and smart people from the Toronto core for years. That's why there's been as many loony left-wingers elected to council as there has been. They aren't getting any smarter.


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TheDao

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I use a gym bag and a ryclable bag I got at Mac Milk for 99 cents. But I do need plastic bags from time to time. I save food scrapes so it can be composited by the city ( I live in apartment building). Also I use them to carry out garbage if I didn't buy these plastic bags I would have to buy kitchen bags.
Way before the bag tax a lot of people I saw bring plastic bags back to the grocery stores. I have seen over 200 plastic bags being brought back every time I went shopping. There is very little reduced in bag usage it just transferred to mostly from grocery plastic bags to kitchen bags or garbage bags. Bag are bags, they all go to the landfill.


elwoodblues
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said by Bob4:

That's what elections are for. Kick these people out. Problem solved.

You been to Toronto? You think teabaggers are rabid, wait till you see what the left elects around these parts.
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elwoodblues
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said by TheDao:

There is very little reduced in bag usage it just transferred to mostly from grocery plastic bags to kitchen bags or garbage bags. Bag are bags, they all go to the landfill.

Here is the funny part about that, the bags in Toronto are biodegradable. Right after implementing the bag tax, that little nugget came out.
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loosedobbs

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Council kills plastic bag ban
»www.thestar.com/news/gta/article···-bag-ban

So Ford is gone and bag ban is gone.
Does this mean now Subway can make comeback?


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Thank god. that was the stupidest ban ever.

Unfortunately, most retailers are still gonna be charging for them I bet since its now in people's mind that they have to pay for them.


elwoodblues
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said by HiVolt:

Thank god. that was the stupidest ban ever.

Unfortunately, most retailers are still gonna be charging for them I bet since its now in people's mind that they have to pay for them.

Loblaws and Metro come to mind, most retailers look it as a cost of doing business and don't charge those two overpriced grocery chains are simply monetizing what was a business expense and passing the cost along to the consumer (along with their overinflated pricing).
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said by elwoodblues:

said by HiVolt:

Thank god. that was the stupidest ban ever.

Unfortunately, most retailers are still gonna be charging for them I bet since its now in people's mind that they have to pay for them.

Loblaws and Metro come to mind, most retailers look it as a cost of doing business and don't charge those two overpriced grocery chains are simply monetizing what was a business expense and passing the cost along to the consumer (along with their overinflated pricing).

I know in general I've gotten used to the 5c bag fee (that's pretty much province wide if not nationwide now) - and in reality, it's not a bad price to pay for a bag I can use as a garbage can liner for office/bedroom/bathrooms, use for cat litter, use for garbage people leave in my yard, etc -- similar liners are about $3 for 50 to buy at WalMart - so about $6/100. Only paying $5/100 for the grocery bag ones, and they are generally much more heavy duty than the can liners bought off the shelf. I don't begrudge paying for something that I'm going to use again anyway - and if I didn't want to spend it, I could buy the stupid $1 bags that only last about 20 washings and grocery trips anyway (hmm... about 5c/trip... coincidence? and I would still have to go buy my can liners then too... choices.. choices...)