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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

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Re: Huh?

The chart simply proves my point. You're not getting more texts for each increase in the amount of money you pay, but rather more data.

And you still haven't proven that my claims in my original post are wrong. You are pay more, and certainly a lot more than 20%, for data. Period.
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Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

said by pnh102:

And you still haven't proven that my claims in my original post are wrong. You are pay more, and certainly a lot more than 20%, for data. Period.

Single people pay more, families pay the same, or less, depending on usage.

My bill breaks down as follows:
2 x lines on 700 minute plan w/unlimited texting = $99.98
22% access discount (on base plan + 1 line): = ($19.80)
2 x 2GB data plan = $60
Total: $140.18

Equivalent level of service on the new plan:
2 x smartphones = $80
4GB data = $70
22% access discount (on data w/new plans): ($15.40)
Total: $134.60

The new plan is actually better in this instance, because the data is shared, you don't have to worry about using 2.1GB on one device and only 400MB on the other. The real savings comes for people with many devices, say four smartphones w/ the old 1400 minute plan with the base data package:

Hypothetical family of four:
4 x lines on 1400 minute plan w/unlimited texting: $139.96
4 x 2GB data = $120
Total: $259.96

New plan:
4 x smartphones = $120
8 GB of data = $90
Total: $210.00

That's $50/mo cheaper or $600/yr, which is real money by anyone's metric. If they had the old 700 minute plan instead of 1400 minutes they'd still save $360/yr, plus they now have unlimited calling.

Here's what stinks though:
Single person, old plan:
450 minute individual plan w/unlimited texting = $59.99
2 GB of data = $30
Total: $89.99

Single person, new plan:
1 x smartphone = $40
2GB of data = $60
Total: $100

This is part of an industry shift from focusing on ARPU (average revenue per user) to ARPA (average revenue per account), which doesn't make it any easier to swallow if you're a single person, but that's what is driving it.

There's always prepaid for people with a single line of service....


jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

said by Crookshanks:

Single people pay more, families pay the same, or less, depending on usage.

Not really. A year ago, on VZW, I could've gotten a smartphone on a data plan for $80/mo. and added a dumb phone for my wife for $10/mo. I could've had both of us on unlimited data for $120/mo.

Y'all can argue it until you're blue in the face, but even the VZW business rep. I met with earlier this week readily conceded I was right.

Jim

Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

You didn't even read my examples, did you? The new shared plans comparable favorably with the tiered plans that replaced unlimited. They obviously do not comparable favorably with unlimited plans, but those were going away regardless.

As far as your hypothetical:

2 Lines w/700 minutes and unlimited texting: $99.98
1 x 2GB or unlimited data: $30.00

Total: $129.98

New:

1 x Smartphone = $40
1 x Dumbphone = $30
2GB of data = $60

Total: $130

Look, it costs the same. Which is exactly what I pointed out above.

If you were willing to forgo texting entirely (kudos to you, btw, though few people do this) it would have been $30/mo cheaper under the old scheme. Tiered packages would cost $20 to cover both lines, so you'd be saving $10/mo in that instance.

These plans do suck for the people who just want a basic no-frills dumbphone, the stereotypical "I'll use it for emergencies" user. In the old days you could add them for $10. Now it costs $30. In reality you'd just get them a prepaid phone and be done with it. Verizon doesn't want to subsidize a device for this type of person, hence the $30/mo charge.

It sucks, but there are lots of prepaid alternatives, so what's the problem?