iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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·Comcast
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Re: So when is ultra 300 making the drop? If Charter has a reliable 64QAM 6.4MHz wide upstream channel, that gives 30 Mbps of capacity. They could offer 15 Mbps up without much issue.
HOWEVER if their plant is anything like TWC's, there are a lot of places where their upstream capacity consists of one 3.2MHz-wide channel, modulated at somewhere between 16QAM (10 Mbps of capacity) and 64QAM (15 Mbps of capacity). You don't want to offer more than 5 Mbps over that.
As for download speeds, Charter would probably want to hand out the Netgear 24x8 modem for this tier. On the CMTS side, 12 bonded channels would be more than enough for standard usage patterns including enough bandwidth for a 300M tier.
Personally though, there's probably more to gain for Charter if they can get another upstream channel squeezed into their systems. Even if it's only 3.2MHz at 16QAM, they'd have enough bandwidth at that point to offer a package with 10 Mbps up. Would make for some happy businesses, and would give people a better reason to upgrade to 100M service. |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by iansltx:HOWEVER if their plant is anything like TWC's, there are a lot of places where their upstream capacity consists of one 3.2MHz-wide channel, modulated at somewhere between 16QAM (10 Mbps of capacity) and 64QAM (15 Mbps of capacity). You don't want to offer more than 5 Mbps over that. So come December when cable companies no longer have to provide analog service and Charter can then go all digital I assume that should free up the bandwidth necessary. |
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Back in 1998 when most of you were drooling over 56Kbps (more 53Kbps!  ) and ISDN modems, I had a full 8Mbps from Cablevision in NYC. The web at that time was all simple HTML (think Geocities pages) and the internet was more about AOL/AIM chat than anything else. Obviously NONE of that needed 8Mbps (3Com Sharkfin modem only had a 10Mbps port so 8Mbps was what they sold it as). A lil after that 128-768Kbps DSL started popping up.
Now with some of the logic here of "Why would you need 8Mbps since most servers and thing can't feed you that much" was definitely shown to be silly back then. IF you dared to download a MP3 from Napster and try to browse the web at the sametime on 56K you'd be waiting 2mins for those "simple" HTML TEXT pages to load. You wouldn't even dare do video chat on Yahoo with more than one girl, no matter how slutty her screename was. LOL There were times I had 5 chat windows open vs only being able to do 1, maybe 2.
Saying all that to say, nobody wants to browse CNN.com 100x faster than 30Mbps internet can do. The site wont load faster than it already does but that's not the point of faster internet as it was back in the 56K days. That was playing catch up, now it's about doing MORE, which in a way gets you to finish ALL tasks faster. Even if you don't live in a house with 3 kids and wife that all watch shows online while you are trying to game, It's just being able to do more things at the same time without any of them slowing down. You got a 3.4 Quad Core CPU and 2 10K RPM Raptors sitting IDLE 99.98% of the time because it's waiting for tasks. Feed it more work and that's when efficiency goes up!
50Mbps upload does sound nice but how often do you ever need to upload something so large where you wouldn't ALSO benefit from 300Mbps down? If you are uploading videos because you work from home and need a fat pipe back to the office, i'm sure having a FATTER pipe from the office to get data you need is as or more important. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to BF69
Not necessarily. The analog channels are on the downstream side of the system. We're talking about the upstream side here. They'd have to move the DS/US split up for analog channel reclamation to make any difference. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to SHoTTa35
said by SHoTTa35 : That was playing catch up, now it's about doing MORE, which in a way gets you to finish ALL tasks faster. Even if you don't live in a house with 3 kids and wife that all watch shows online while you are trying to game, 4 HD Netflix streams plus online gaming is less than 20 Mbps. Even if you feel you need 100% overhead that 40 Mbps. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:Not necessarily. The analog channels are on the downstream side of the system. We're talking about the upstream side here. They'd have to move the DS/US split up for analog channel reclamation to make any difference.
and you know they are not planning to do that because.......? |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| And you know that they are planning to do that because.......?
Suddenlink has made similar changes to their network to what Charter has seemed to have done. No US bonding there AFAIK. Upstream bonding is an expensive proposition, since it requires retooling the plant significantly. So you aren't going to see anyone doing it unless competition merits. Does FiOS compete with Charter anywhere? |
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said by BF69:So come December when cable companies no longer have to provide analog service and Charter can then go all digital I assume that should free up the bandwidth necessary.
I thought I read that was put on hold again ?
I think it would make more sense for Charter to offer people "free" analog HD tuners, and then use all the analog bandwidth for other things, but, I doubt they will do this. |
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