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urbanriot
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Re: [Rant] Ontario Photo ID card now available at more locations

said by Gone:

It is perfectly acceptable to accept an Ontario health card as photo ID.

While it's acceptable to accept it, one of the arguments made by people on CBC Radio was that it's not accepted at clubs and bars and there are plenty of young adults that don't want to drive so it seems a good idea that we have an appropriate ID card specifically for identification purposes.

Of course people can always get their passports, which are always accepted.

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said by urbanriot:

While it's acceptable to accept it, one of the arguments made by people on CBC Radio was that it's not accepted at clubs and bars and there are plenty of young adults that don't want to drive so it seems a good idea that we have an appropriate ID card specifically for identification purposes.

A health card is perfectly acceptable ID at clubs and bars. The only reason it someone wouldn't accept it is because they're falling for the same "it's not valid ID" game without knowing any better. For what it's worth, it's also acceptable at the LCBO, and a cop will use it to verify your identity if you ever found yourself in that kind of situation.

It's only an issue if they need to copy the ID or write the number down, which is a legal no-no. This is why banks will run for the hills if you try to hand them a health card. This is what the Photo Card is for, since it is a 100% analog to a drivers license as far as ID goes.

As for a passport, I'm not sure I'd want to carry that with me during a night on the town, but that's just me.

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said by Gone:

The only reason it someone wouldn't accept it is because they're falling for the same "it's not valid ID" game without knowing any better.

Well, it probably doesn't help that the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) site states:
quote:
You should not ask for the Ontario Health Card as identification, but if offered voluntarily you may accept it at your discretion.
»www.agco.on.ca/en/whatwe ··· _id.aspx

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said by urbanriot:

Well, it probably doesn't help that the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) site states:

... AGCO says exactly what I've been saying all along.

And for what it's worth, it's illegal for anyone to ask for a health card as ID. It can only be offered.

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said by Gone:

said by urbanriot:

Well, it probably doesn't help that the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) site states:

... AGCO says exactly what I've been saying all along.

And for what it's worth, it's illegal for anyone to ask for a health card as ID. It can only be offered.

Such nuances are lost on many.

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said by urbanriot:

said by Gone:

It is perfectly acceptable to accept an Ontario health card as photo ID.

While it's acceptable to accept it, one of the arguments made by people on CBC Radio was that it's not accepted at clubs and bars a

That's because (contrary to the assertions of some) it's not considered valid ID in Ontario.

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just to clarify, i was never refused entry, i was allowed entry. the bouncer was so embarrased he no longer asks new patrons for their health card because of the letter i have shown him, he actually discussed with his supervisor and they no longer do that, i was going to show him my drivers licence, but i was not holding onto it, so i would have had to leave the lineup and back to the car to get it, but he let me in anyways. there you go, hope that clarifys everything.

secondly, the licence says valid photo id only,this is my expired licence, the ministry confirmed i can use it for valid photo identification, only my driving privledges were expired, not the id itself. they can not refuse you because your licence card is past the expiry date, that just means you cant drive, the ID is still valid to identify you, the ministry clerk confirmed this with me

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said by Pauly:

secondly, the licence says valid photo id only,this is my expired licence, the ministry confirmed i can use it for valid photo identification, only my driving privledges were expired, not the id itself. they can not refuse you because your licence card is past the expiry date, that just means you cant drive, the ID is still valid to identify you, the ministry clerk confirmed this with me

Again, any place requesting ID can refuse you entry for any reason at any time. The casino's in Ontario will not accept an expired drivers licence and will require you to show them the temp permit with it. Please don't try to tell me otherwise. This is what I do for a living.

As per the AGCO, ID must be current (not expired) or it is considered invalid. Now when you consider that the AGCO regulates EVERYTHING in Ontario that requires you to produce photo ID to prove your age, those are the guidelines that must be followed.

Proof: »www.agco.on.ca/pdfs/en/t ··· 3056.pdf

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TLS thanks but that arguement has NOTHING to do with my post. please stop bringing it up, its irrelivant. Refusal for valid ID vs refusal for ANY OTHER REASON is 2 different things here, weather you want to believe it or not. I have never stepped into a casino, and the one time i did, i was never carded, mind you i do not look like a 12 year old so they have no reason to ask me for id. not sure who the ARGO is, and what they do, but if they refuse someone because their driving privledges are "expired" but they can clearly tell the persons age based on the information on the card, all that tells me is they are simply being pricks. they have the information they just want to be a prick about it, but thats not the discussion for this thread, thats for another thread, cus i first have to find out who the AGCO (spelling?) is and what they do?

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Listen man, claiming my argument is invalid because you're ignorant doesn't make me wrong.

"Valid photo card only" means it MUST be accompanied by the temp licence or it is invalid. Claiming otherwise is just spreading misinformation.

AGCO is the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario. They are the ones that regulate what ID is acceptable for a person to use in Ontario for the purposes of buying alcohol or tobacco, or claiming lottery or casino winnings.

They aren't refusing entry based on driving privileges being expired, they're refusing entry based on the FACT that an expired drivers licence is no longer valid ID in Ontario.

Again, ID can be refused for any reason whatsoever, solely at the discretion of the person asking for it.

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i dont have a temp licence, i have no licence i cant provide a temp licence right now
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