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dsa

@bell.ca

UPS charge on gift

One of my relative in the US sent me a gift via UPS unfortunately and even if he wrote gift , yesterday i got a fee of 61$ , the item was insured for 180$ which is what it the cost of it. So i was told to refuse the package in order to contest the charge so that is what i need but now they a my relative to send a commercial invoice written gift on it with a value of less than 60$ Canadian.

Now the issue is that my relative is not a company so how can he make a commercial invoice.

Anybody know's what can be done ?



elwoodblues
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Refuse the shipment, it'll go back to your relative. Then have them send it USPS, UPS is going to hose you no matter what.



donoreo
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North York, ON
reply to dsa

UPS sucks crossing the border.


peterboro
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Peterborough, ON
reply to dsa

I always ask who a company will ship with and refuse to purchase if it is UPS.



urbanriot
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reply to dsa

said by elwoodblues:

Refuse the shipment, it'll go back to your relative. Then have them send it USPS, UPS is going to hose you no matter what.

^ What he said. UPS has their own arbitrary customs fees + you're almost always gauranteed to pass through official custom fees too. I decline when that happens and have the person send via USPS.

Like peterboro, I typically won't order low cost goods if they ship with UPS.


Tenar

join:2008-01-02
Midland, ON
reply to dsa

You can self clear an item with UPS.

Edit: a commercial invoice can just be the receipt from where ever it was bought.


bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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reply to urbanriot

said by urbanriot:

UPS has their own arbitrary customs fees + you're almost always gauranteed to pass through official custom fees too.

Fun fact: Shippers can pre-pay the official customs fees (same as what you'd pay to self-clear), and it will show up with no further brokerage costs. I've heard of very few retailers that will do that, though.


Tenar

join:2008-01-02
Midland, ON

sometimes listed as an expedited import / export



dsa

@bell.ca

Thank you , refusing the package would mean my relative lose the shipping that he paid with ups ?

USPS is charging 30 $ more but i guess they won't charge ?



dsa

@bell.ca
reply to Tenar

Tenar , what do you mean by self clear ?



urbanriot
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reply to dsa

said by bt:

Fun fact: Shippers can pre-pay the official customs fees (same as what you'd pay to self-clear), and it will show up with no further brokerage costs. I've heard of very few retailers that will do that, though.

Intel is the only company I've ever encountered that's done that.

said by dsa :

Thank you , refusing the package would mean my relative lose the shipping that he paid with ups ?

Yes, so that's the issue here... refuse the shipment and he ships again, and the total ends up being close to $60 anyhow, or accept the shipment for $60.

The only way you can win here is if he spent less than $20 in shipping, otherwise it's a waste of time and money. There's also the potential that you'll still have your item pass through customs the second time around anyhow...


XoX

join:2003-08-19
Qc, Canada

said by urbanriot:

said by bt:

Fun fact: Shippers can pre-pay the official customs fees (same as what you'd pay to self-clear), and it will show up with no further brokerage costs. I've heard of very few retailers that will do that, though.

Intel is the only company I've ever encountered that's done that.

Amazon does it also since i bought something from them and they added the custom fees... They even reimburse you if the charge is lower. At least they did it once for me after i bought something from them...


dht

@bell.ca

You could put it on your income tax in case you have no choice of paying the fee.



elwoodblues
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reply to urbanriot

I have a vendor in Cali that does it for me.


Riplin

join:2002-05-13
canada
reply to dsa

»www.fedex.com/il/shippingguide/invoice.html

many blank ones out there


Mont

join:2006-05-02
Saint-Leonard, QC

Riplin , it don't seem you could put gift on those invoice or am i wrong ?



elwoodblues
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0 value, sample, not for resale.. lots of ways around it.


Mont

join:2006-05-02
Saint-Leonard, QC

Good point.



dsa

@bell.ca

Called ups again now they tell me a fee of 15$ will have to be charged to an error on the amount declaration. At worst il pay it.

My relative will send the fax letter on to them so we will see.

Thanks for the fed ex form , i found a similar one on the ups website.


MichelR

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reply to peterboro

said by peterboro:

I always ask who a company will ship with and refuse to purchase if it is UPS.

Same here. If it's within Canada I may let it go, but not from the U.S. (though I did order a Kindle from Amazon.com and since they handle everything, it wasn't too bad and cheaper as well). Why should UPS charge me such fees when FedEx don't?


mlerner
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said by MichelR:

Why should UPS charge me such fees when FedEx don't?

Because UPS is a private business and they can choose the prices they charge. On top of that, unless otherwise specified, UPS will choose a clearance agent of their choice. Sometimes, if you choose to clear it yourself or use a third party clearance agent, you can get the fee down even further.

Bob4
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New Jersey
reply to dsa

Now you know to have your relatives declare the value at less than C$60 even if it's worth more. Also mail it via the United States Postal Service.



A Lurker
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reply to peterboro

said by peterboro:

I always ask who a company will ship with and refuse to purchase if it is UPS.

Yep, same here. The first time I got hit with their BS clearing fee (many years back) I emailed the company who had shipped it. I suggested if they wanted to keep their Canadian customers happy they should consider offering options. They do now, and they were nice enough to reimburse me the fee (something I wasn't actually looking for).

bt

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reply to MichelR

said by MichelR:

Why should UPS charge me such fees when FedEx don't?

I've had those charges from FedEx as well, though it's been quite some time since I've received anything via either of them.

Mont

join:2006-05-02
Saint-Leonard, QC
reply to dsa

So if he would have shipped with USPS dsa wouldn't have had the 61$ fee even he declared the same amount ?

I ask this since i had the same issues with fed ex and ups so now i try to avoid them too when it's coming from out of Canada but i noticed that sometime for the same item i didn't pay any fee when it was shipped from USPS.


zod5000

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reply to dsa

USPS turns their packages over to Canada Post.

The sender has to declare a value on a sticker they put on the envelope. If it's more than $20 (or $60 if its declared as a gift) Canada Post is SUPPOSED to charge tax on it. I think they charge around $7 (it used to be $5) to determine that amount. So you pay $7ish + your provincial/federal sales tax.

The thing about Canada post is they rarely actually do it. I might get 1 in 10 parcels dinged for tax (I'm not even sure its that high).

Courier companies like FEDEX and UPS have a vested interest to check each package because they charge huge brokerage fees (or have contracts with companies that have huge brokerage fees, who I'm sure kickback a sizable portion of those fees back to them).

USPS to Canada Post probably doesn't have a vested interested in checking every package (nor the manpower). So you've got pretty good odds when you ship this way that your stuff will make it through without fees (but always plan on that it will).

That's the different between couriers and USPS/Canada Post. The brokerage fee (the amount they charge to determine how much tax money you owe) is considerably higher with courier companies. With Canada Post you also run pretty high odds it'll come through without being charged as Canada Post doesn't seem to be all that worried about checking every package.


Bob4
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join:2012-07-22
New Jersey

Why not just lie and say the value is $40? I doubt they open the packages and check.


Grappler

join:2002-09-01
Ottawa, ON
reply to dsa

Reference Ontario area only as I do not know the other ports, etc.

Whether it is UPS, Fedex, DHL you will be charged brokerage fees if they have to clear your item themselves, this is their business. However, they only use their own clearance staff if an item is transported by land into Canada and their first Canadian stop has their own office or an office at the crossing: Fort Erie, Niagara Falls, Windsor, Sarnia, etc.

If an item is shipped by air and they land at an airport that has a Canada Customs Office then those items will be cleared/inspected by Canada Customs, you will only be charged the Duty and Taxes owing, no brokerage fees, Toronto LPB, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, etc.


Mont

join:2006-05-02
Saint-Leonard, QC
reply to zod5000

said by zod5000:

USPS turns their packages over to Canada Post.

The sender has to declare a value on a sticker they put on the envelope. If it's more than $20 (or $60 if its declared as a gift) Canada Post is SUPPOSED to charge tax on it. I think they charge around $7 (it used to be $5) to determine that amount. So you pay $7ish + your provincial/federal sales tax.

The thing about Canada post is they rarely actually do it. I might get 1 in 10 parcels dinged for tax (I'm not even sure its that high).

Courier companies like FEDEX and UPS have a vested interest to check each package because they charge huge brokerage fees (or have contracts with companies that have huge brokerage fees, who I'm sure kickback a sizable portion of those fees back to them).

USPS to Canada Post probably doesn't have a vested interested in checking every package (nor the manpower). So you've got pretty good odds when you ship this way that your stuff will make it through without fees (but always plan on that it will).

That's the different between couriers and USPS/Canada Post. The brokerage fee (the amount they charge to determine how much tax money you owe) is considerably higher with courier companies. With Canada Post you also run pretty high odds it'll come through without being charged as Canada Post doesn't seem to be all that worried about checking every package.

So a package worth 156$ would cost around 29$ $ if it get charge with USPS/Canada Post ?


Last Parade

join:2002-10-07
Port Colborne, ON

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reply to Grappler

said by Grappler:

Toronto LPB, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, etc.

Lester Pee Bearston?