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JB
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reply to clawfury

Re: [MoP] Great Post - I couldn't agree more

Wow, true that. Can you post the 37 comments as well?

clawfury

join:2012-02-14
Rochester, MI
As requested, JB:
And yet, for me, I would have done daily after daily after daily during Cataclysm, yet instead was forced to endlessly run instances. I didn’t get the option.

Different strokes, as they say.

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vanillabri

October 1, 2012 at 10:23 am Sure, that’s fine. But then why not have both options?

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:27 am This, for me, is why I won’t be high on progression this tier. I can’t do dailies. They’re going to end up being occasionalies just like the Tol Barad quests were. So I won’t have the best of the best for raiding and that’s a trade-off I’m perfectly willing to accept. All this has brought into focus why I play: for enjoyment. I play for the fun of playing and HM raiding can be that but I’m not willing to slog through a stream of unfun to get there. Progression raiding isn’t important enough to sacrifice the main payoff I get from WoW.

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Tonk

October 1, 2012 at 10:58 am I’m slowly, but most likely surely, getting to that point myself!

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:28 am Honestly, you can substitute cash for Tiller’s rep (just buy all the cooking ingredients) and you only need do Angler’s for slightly faster fishing skill-ups. You could still skill-up fishing the old fashioned way if you wanted to. If you have level 85 alts, do the intro quest to get to Pandaria then run them out to Halfhill and get them started on their own farms, and that’s 4 plots a day per alt that you can plant as extra food production. Or if you’ve got a buddy who’s a warlock, set up a closet and summon everyone’s alts, skip the tedious journey.

Klaaxi and Golden Lotus will let you buy raid gear at Revered, at which point you can stop. Klaaxi will take just under 2 weeks to get Revered if you’re in a level 25 guild and finish the other quests in the zone, then you can drop them.

And if your guild is good enough to clear Mogu’shan and start on heroics in the first couple weeks then any faction beyond Golden Lotus will rapidly become nice-to-have fill in the random slots, rather than mandatory.

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Nina

October 1, 2012 at 11:10 am Can you get the farming quest at level 85?

Regardless of how long the take, the fact that there are so manynof them and that they need to be done is the issue.

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:32 am For gearing up fast to do raids, I’m actually recommending getting the gear you need for heroics (the pvp blues work okay for slots you didn’t get quest items) and then just grinding gear from heroics. There are some things out of the skirmishes, though you don’t really need them if you can get guild runs for chaining 5-mans.

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lissanna

October 1, 2012 at 12:03 pm I have almost a full set of gear from heroics. And I will be upgrading with rep gear as long as it continues to be viable,

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:33 am Grind your golden lotus rep, but mostly you can say screw the rest and do them more slowly.

The 450 pvp gear is itemized almost the same as the 450 jp gear. The heroic dungeons give 463. Looking at my lists, the valor gear is usually below raid drops in desirability. Go grind your dungeons and have fun. Then grind your raids and have fun.

Do run Direbrew for a trinket. I find the heroic dungeons, not a joke, but simple enough to heal in 450ish gear. The monastery kicks my arse, but the rest is pretty easy. Just bring loads of milk or a pet mage.

It’ll be at least 2 weeks to get golden lotus to revered. Off the cuff without bothering with pesky numbers or reality, it’ll be 6 weeks-ish to get most of the reps to exalted. How many of those pieces will you want in 6-8 weeks? Yes, being able to fill in empty spots is important. Is it blow up your wrist and ruin your fun important?

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Berry

October 1, 2012 at 12:32 pm The Direbrew trinket is actually worse than the trinkets from heroics because it doesn’t offer any mana returns.

In all honesty, gear upgrade now, during progression, are much more important than gear upgrades once you’ve finished clearing content. And it doesn’t matter where those upgrades are from

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:35 am Same problem with me, they do mix them up a bit so its not always the same but still its like groundhog day, one big problem i do see is its easy for tanks to do runs and get gear, most in my guild are full 463 allready, this will stop tanks from using runs to get gear, even now as a healer i can have 8mins wait this was unheard off before.

Also heroics are to easy, i can on some bosses not heal at all, some bosses are killed in less then 30secs its a joke. and boring as hell, there is no grinding rep to get gear for heroics, you jump stright in at 90

With Valor being given for dailys and the amount rep needed, once people are geared they will never set foot in heroics again. you are allready seeing Dungeon jumoing going on.

All in all i dont like the new system i really think blizzard messed up , yes i know i raced to 90 , but what off my alts? there is no way on hell iam doing all the dailys on all my alts, even now iam thinking of stopping playing, it all rests on raids hope they did not mess them up

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Tully

October 1, 2012 at 1:25 pm “Also heroics are to easy, i can on some bosses not heal at all, some bosses are killed in less then 30secs its a joke. and boring as hell, there is no grinding rep to get gear for heroics, you jump stright in at 90 ”

Blizzard stated months ago that Heroics are simply level 90 versions of leveling dungeons. They’re not supposed to be a massive pain in the ass like Cataclysm Heroics. They’re intended as simply another step in gearing up for raiding at this point, not an actual challenge. With the advent of the Dungeon Finder back in Wrath, Cata proved pretty effectively that mixing in Heroics (as they were) as a required part of the progression route was no viable for most people in conjunction with most people. Remember back to the first few weeks of Wrath. Trying to run Heroics, especially as a healer, was an absolute nightmare, even when properly geared, thanks to a combination of factors (Lack of organization in a PUG, DPS or god forbid tanks sneaking in under-geared).

Challenge Modes have effectively replaced what we knew as Heroics. If you want to be presented with a tougher dungeoning experience, go there.

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Jonathan

October 2, 2012 at 5:53 am Heroics are not meant to be overly challenging for those comfortable with a higher level of play. That is what challenge modes were introduced to supplement. However, I do agree that the way heroics and dailys tied VP together, is unfortuante.

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:37 am Yup, the amount if stuff to do makes my head spin. I have been cutting sleep short etc just so I could make it to 90 and get geared before raiding starts (tomorrow) and I have not had time off work to do any of it – except for one sick day.

Sadly I didn’t realise there was a tabard that could get me panda rep until just last night, so all my dungeon grinding I could have been getting rep… I nearly cried.

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Meliika

October 1, 2012 at 3:19 pm I think that is my biggest problem, there is just SO much that needs to be done.

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:38 am There are a million dailies. Maybe I’m a bad raider, but I refuse to do anything in game that makes me dread playing the game. It makes my free time much more enjoyable. I do some dailies here and there when I feel like it, and as a completionist I will get exalted with all factions eventually, but I don’t force myself to do everything every day.

I guess I’m just stubborn. I want gear from bosses I kill, not dailies.

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Jasyla

October 1, 2012 at 5:22 pm I envy you in that regard.

I definitely feel like I need to do them and get them finished, at least to gear levels. Once I’ve unlocked the gear, I think I will probably take a break and randomly do them to get them to exalted, but I definitely won’t do them daily.

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:39 am I hear you so much. I despise dailies, but the min-maxer in me feels bad if I shirk working to get improvements to make my performance better in raids. So I’m screwed if I do and screwed if I don’t.

And they removed the daily cap so that you feel obligated to do every…single..stinking daily every single day.

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ellori

October 1, 2012 at 7:19 pm It’s like Blizzard’s ultimate answer to forcing their concurrent user count to stay up without having to produce as much content. Just thinking about it makes me cross.

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ellori

October 1, 2012 at 7:20 pm I know exactly what you mean. I also feel obligated to take care of all of the dailys every day. I have, however, shirked a bit on the fishing ones when I don’t have time.

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:41 am At least they are hotfixing out the rep requirement for JP gear.

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Moonspeaker

October 1, 2012 at 10:39 pm Unfortunately, for a lot of people (myself included) its too late

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:42 am The good news is they removed the rep requirements to buy justice gear this evening. There was jack diddly crap in the way of crafted leather int gear on my server’s AH and I didn’t quest much in Wastes so my ilvl was was 432 and it was looking like a long, dry, miserable, resentful grind to get the rep needed to buy JP gear. I was very tired of questing from leveling and was looking forward to the heroics so yeah, I was really happy to hear about the rep requirement change tonight.

I wish they hadn’t done away with rep grinding in dungeons. We should have more choices because different people prefer different options :/

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Zy

October 1, 2012 at 10:44 pm It is good with the JP change – but was a little late for people who were pushing to be raid ready by Tuesday

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:43 am I join you here. I *HATE* (repeat HATE HATE HATE) reputation grinds. And HATE even more because if I ever want to use any of my crafting alts, I will be forced to go through the same reputation grind (which I may already have said that I HATE).
I don’t understand why Blizzard went back 4 years in game design: the strong point of WoW was the strict separation of activities: you need gear to run instances: you can get them running instances. You need PvP gear: you get it doing PvP. You need reputation deco items: you get it grinding reputation. Now the whole VP fiasco means that I’ll have to grind *four* reputations in order to fill any “unlucky” slot which is not served by a raid drop. Damn, it would be like saying that in order to buy conquest PvP gear you need a level 25 battle pet! What’s the relation?

So this is what I have decided:
- daily quests: I do the ones which I like (precious few of them), and then I do a single reputation per day. If this costs me a raid spot, then be it.
- alts: no leveling of alts, unless I can transfer my reputation gains from my main. I’ll spend the time playing other MMOs instead of re-grinding a reputation for 28-slot bags or other stuff.
- if the next expansion pulls the same shit, I’m out of here. Sorry dear Blizzard devs, I play for fun, if I wanted a second job I’d be on Eve.

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Helistar

October 2, 2012 at 1:26 am I can commiserate with you on thenalt front. I left Cataclysm with 10 85s. And I am already considering if I will level any of them this expansion. I might, but I strongly suspect I won’t level as many, and I’ll do it much slower.

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:45 am I loved the tabards in Cata. It was like ‘set and forget’ until you got the message you hit exalted. I hate questing (I enjoy some of the storylines, but I just simply don’t enjoy questing for more than about an hour) and I’m already not really enjoying trying to get my main to 90 (I enjoy dungeons but I don’t want to grind dungeons to 90 because then I’ll end up hating them) and hitting 90 only to have a ton of rep grinds waiting… Meh. Luckily I do enjoy other parts of the game a lot, but yeah it would be great if they could give you the option to get rep in several different ways. Or like a compromise, instead of ezmode tabards, daily quests that take place in dungeons.

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Iris

October 2, 2012 at 6:14 am I think multiple ways to grind out faction would be beneficial for everyone!

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:46 am Pingback: Mists of Pandaria: Initial Impressions | Tales of a Priest
The only reason I resented the daily grind is because I felt like I wasn’t using skills that would benefit me in a raiding environment. At least when I’m grinding Heroics for gear or when I’m slapping on a tabard and running 5m, I’m healing. I’m learning how to be a better healer. I’m keeping those muscles strong, so to speak, and I’m getting better at my craft which will benefit me in the long run.

I don’t see how being in my burning hot mess of a shadow spec and facerolling Mind Blast day after day is going to keep me strong as a healer, other than by giving me the rep and/or gear that I need. It just felt like it was pulling me in different directions and I didn’t care for that.

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Oestrus

October 2, 2012 at 7:20 am I feel you with the off spec bit. It is pretty miserable

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:47 am I could not possibly agree with you more. Sad, in that I love so many things they put into MoP, but the daily grind will probably break me. I expect by the end of week three I will reach a point of disgust I can’t turn back from. I love most of the class chnages, the new instances, all the new things to do like pet battles. I would even love to pick and choose a faction or two to grind at my own pace to get the cool mounts and tabards. My disgust heightens when blue posts talk about how all of this is optional. I wish. Remove progression gear and recipes from the dailies, leave the rewards fun and cosmetic like mounts. People will still do them, but they can pace themselves in a more healthy and fun way. Right now, this is the start of the end of WoW for me.

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aaniholypaladin

October 2, 2012 at 8:49 am I wondered frequently if I was just “getting too old” for all of this

But I feel quite similarly that I’m not really sure how much more I can take.

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:49 am Couldn’t help but share the news, Bliz has seen fit to remove the rep grind from the JP gear. That’s must clear up some of your dailies.

Happy hunting

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LiquidPig

October 2, 2012 at 11:33 am Not really, unfortunately. JP were already useless because after 1 week of random heroics I already had better stuff in all slots except two, which were illv440…. The big problem is that in order to make any use of the VP I’m gaining I still need to grind reputations.

And I’ve decided I won’t do it. I’m about to post on my guild forum that I’ll stop rep grinding and accept the consequence of losing a raid spot.

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Helistar

October 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm Unfortunately, this is about a week too late, I already have gear that surpasses what is available.

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Beruthiel

October 3, 2012 at 10:56 am This is exactly how I feel. EXACTLY! As a priest who raids with in disc/holy spec, I find this terribly painful. And not fun. I find myself grumpy every time I log into wow. And, I used to love leveling alts. Not anymore. The thought of having to repeat this to get alts ready to raid makes me run screaming from the game. That, combined with the horror that is healing on a priest may well drive me from the game.

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SnowNSew

October 9, 2012 at 11:26 am