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realthang

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reply to pulp46

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Your friend downloaded tv shows from a usenet server on the internet (alt.binaries.teevee), therefore it counts as billable traffic. the traffic is counted at the CO, not your modem or router. therefore, any internal traffic such as copying files across your home lan doesn't count because bell can't see the traffic and doesn't care even if it could.


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said by realthang :

Your friend downloaded tv shows from a usenet server on the internet (alt.binaries.teevee), therefore it counts as billable traffic. the traffic is counted at the CO, not your modem or router. therefore, any internal traffic such as copying files across your home lan doesn't count because bell can't see the traffic and doesn't care even if it could.

Is it even remotely possible that the router config is messed, and the traffic between two computers on the lan actually leave the lan and go out over the internet first?

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said by dillyhammer:

Is it even remotely possible that the router config is messed, and the traffic between two computers on the lan actually leave the lan and go out over the internet first?

Could there be a configuration option in the router firmware:
"Check here to increase your speed charges" option?

Does the end user use any off-site backup service that sends only the delta's? Something like that would tend to double the amount of transfer used.

The user should run a program like "Little Snitch" (OS x) or a Windows equivalent to see what's actually doing on at the machine level. Wireshark would do the trick too but there's a steep learning curve.


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said by MaynardKrebs:

Could there be a configuration option in the router firmware:
"Check here to increase your speed charges" option?

LOL. Yeah.

Something has GOT to be up with this though. I don't get it. The modem/router has nothing to do with the calculation of usage, right? It's done at the BAS if I'm not mistaken. That being the case, it stands to reason that if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....

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if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....

Mike

I am waiting to test this theory, how crazy is it that my LAN traffic is routing through my BAS? I am open to any help or ideas that will quickly get to the bottom of this. I will be home tomorrow night......
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kovy7

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said by pat2k8:

if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....

Mike

I am waiting to test this theory, how crazy is it that my LAN traffic is routing through my BAS? I am open to any help or ideas that will quickly get to the bottom of this. I will be home tomorrow night......

And if it does reach the BAS... then you'd notice speed be limited to your internet connection and the not LAN speed at all.

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said by kovy7:

And if it does reach the BAS... then you'd notice speed be limited to your internet connection and the not LAN speed at all.

This is kind of what I was getting at before. Depending on his upstream sync rate, if his LAN streaming traffic was hittng the BAS, he would be having a lot more issues with excessive buffering during playback. (IF indeed it would even work at all)

Remember. Its a 2wire. his MAX upload would be 1088 kb/s. But is probably at 800 kb/s.
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Yeah, I don't know if it's even possible. What I'm saying is I can't imagine how Bell would see internal lan traffic otherwise. The device has nothing to do with measuring or calculating usage. That's done on a separate piece of equipment far from the user's premises.

This just doesn't make any sense on a lot of levels.

But I will say this. If an ISP was able to cook up some scheme to measure lan traffic and bill the user for it... I would surely expect Bell to be the first, and the leader, in such an endeavour.



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Well I am home, quickly hooked up my DD-WRT and got the house back online. Usage is "normal" and the last 5+ GB day was the 14th when I transfered a file from my NAS to my Desktop.

I remember questioning why my desktop was directly connected to my PPPOe and the 2-wire also was? I am curious if this appears as 2 connections through Bell and they tag my bandwidth?

anyways, I am maxed out for the month and will wait until the 27th to reconnect my 2-wire and prove out my theory.

Open to any other ideas.
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reallynow

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reply to pat2k8
Having LAN traffic go out to the Internet and back violates basic routing.

First, LAN uses rfc1918 addresses that would not route on the Internet.

Second, the net mask for the devices on the LAN would not send traffic to the default route since the devices all belong to the same local subnet.

Third, if your traffic went UP to the Internet and back DOWN to you machine then you would see 5gb upload and 5gb download, not 5gb download and less than 1gb upload.

Take your tinfoil hat off, get some sunlight and breath in the fresh air!

a_mckie

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reply to pat2k8
said by pat2k8 :
I am curious if this appears as 2 connections through Bell and they tag my bandwidth?
Are you suggesting the data goes from your home, to Bell, then back to your home again? Wouldn't the data be counted in your Upload data usage in that case?

-A