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Archivis
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Re: [Classes] Monk Mistweaver

None are required. The default frames are now functional enough that you don't need them. Learn how to set up the raid frames and test out in Alterac Valley.

Mouseover macros are better than any addons.
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Curious12

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said by Archivis:

None are required. The default frames are now functional enough that you don't need them. Learn how to set up the raid frames and test out in Alterac Valley.

Mouseover macros are better than any addons.

Thanks for the quick reply Arch, m new to the whole mouse over macros setup, what mouse over macros to u use ? the only macros i have ever setup are the 2 abilities attack macros(use trinket + attack ability) or sell on trade chat


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said by Curious12:

said by Archivis:

None are required. The default frames are now functional enough that you don't need them. Learn how to set up the raid frames and test out in Alterac Valley.

Mouseover macros are better than any addons.

Thanks for the quick reply Arch, m new to the whole mouse over macros setup, what mouse over macros to u use ? the only macros i have ever setup are the 2 abilities attack macros(use trinket + attack ability) or sell on trade chat

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Some people will convince you to use other addons. In prior times, they were a requirement. You were completely ineffective without them. Now, they're a matter of preference. If you don't like the UI, you can look at others, but you'll have all the features you need.

Look around at the interface options for the party/raid bars. Set them up to your liking and test them out in Alterac Valley. There are options that are very important, like fading players who are out of range. By doing that, I know people who just left my healing range and I need to move closer, or ignore. It also shows incoming healing, which is good to know as well. Work on it, go into Alterac Valley and test.

As for mouseover macros, these are an absolute must have for healing. If you aren't using a mouseover macro or an addon that simulates this, you are an ineffective healer.

The current method of healing is to select the player frame and then press the appropriate heal button. This requires two clicks, which consumes time. Replace all your healing abilities with macros. The macros should contain the following:

#showtooltip

The #showtooltip bit allows you to see the tooltip for your spell. If you leave the icon at the default (a question mark) it'll automatically use the same icon for the spell.

The next line should be:

/cast [target=mouseover] InsertSpellHere

That's it. Two lines and you're golden. If you have healing trinkets that require on use, you can add /use NAMEOFTRINKET before your /cast macro. People say this is bad play. From a historical perspective, you will get more use from an auto-use macro than timing. You will use your trinket 2-3 times more often during a raid by having it auto-bound in a macro than if you were to use it manually. Oh, and that's if you're anal about using that trinket. If you forget entirely, stats have shown that you may never use the trinket at all. I know this from pouring through several expansions worth of raid logs from when I used to run raids.

Place all your common heal spells where you need them and mouseover macro them all. The prioritization should be based on which spells get used the most. The more used they are, the more likely they should go in your easiest-to-press location. The less use they get, the further away they go.

In the end:

#showtooltip
/use Trinket of Awesome
/cast [target=mouseover] Soothing Mist
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said by Archivis:

None are required. The default frames are now functional enough that you don't need them. Learn how to set up the raid frames and test out in Alterac Valley.

Mouseover macros are better than any addons.

A word of caution for your mouseover macros. I use a lot of
/cast [@mouseovertarget, harm] [@mouseover,harm] [harm] Smite
 
macros for dmg abilities. It has started many unintentional pvp battles while doing Golden Lotus Dailies. You see... if you try to piggy-back an opposing faction's kill... and mouseover the target, both targets qualify as "harm" targets, and you might just find yourself attacking the other player rather than the target. I've resorted to opening my spell book and firing the spell directly so I can get credit for the kill without being bothered by pvp.

I love using the @mouseovertarget instead of /assist because I don't like losing my targets or having to use target=lasttarget.
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Archivis
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Get in the back of the raid and heal.



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said by Archivis:

Get in the back of the raid and heal.

Disc... helloooooo. hehe.

my macros work well in raids... just have to find some way to adjust for the pvp thing while doing dailies is all, lol.


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I try to un-clutter my UI for that kind of stuff. I would rather have two healing specs to switch between for raiding or dailies than to have damage abilities on my bars. I know that's not the norm, but I need useless shit off my bars so I can function.

I'm in the leveling process, so I'm trying all the abilities I have and have them all on my bars. Once I hit 90, some cutting will take place.
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Curious12

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I am confused, if i macro all the heals i have and all i do is mouse over the player i want to heal , how does it know which macroed spell to use ? or do i click the spell icon and then mouse over the player i want to heal? sorry for being a scrub at this



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I have my heals set up as `12345 and additional occasional abilities by pressing SHIFT and `12345. 1 is primary for me. All I do is hover my mouse over the player and press 1. There is no clicking that takes place, ever.
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Curious12

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sweet !! i will try this out when i get home today !!
Havent pvped as a healer yet mainly coz m nervous of getting ganked like a 1000 times



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discipline priests have atonement, which heals for a portion of the dmg dealt. That is why Smite and Holy Fire are on my primary bars, and why they use these macros. I was under the impression that some monk healing was the same way, so that's why I thought my input would be relevant here. Was I wrong?


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They can heal through emminence, which is similar to attonement. The deal with emminence healing is the abilities that trigger healing are melee, so I usually find my self just using my melee abilities which will auto target the boss. I heal with mouseovers, so I really never target anyone. I really dont use any macros similar to my smite/holyfire macros of my priest.



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said by Curious12:

sweet !! i will try this out when i get home today !!
Havent pvped as a healer yet mainly coz m nervous of getting ganked like a 1000 times

This setup isn't just for PVP. It's used in any function as a healer. PVP allows you to do it without getting yelled at. If you suck as a healer in Alterac Valley, no one notices. Try sucking at healing in a 5-man and see what happens.
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Curious12

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true, i will try it out in alterac today, added bonus is its also the weekend bg



Archivis
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Monks have the same thing. I don't like the mechanic. Leave the damage to the DPS and leave the healing to healers. If you're facerolling content, reduce the amount of healers you have and go forward. If you're trying to squeeze in some DPS during progression raids, you risk putting concentration on a boss fight, or chewing up a GCD when you need to react. You could also be letting your mana charge up during that time.

Basically, I'm sure you can get away with it, but it's so much hassle, it just doesn't seem worth it.

Monks do have the same thing. At the end, the only thing on my bars that'll do DPS is the one ranged ability and Spinning Crane Kick, although SPC heals and damages simultaneously and is a superior aoe heal.
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Archivis
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said by Curious12:

true, i will try it out in alterac today, added bonus is its also the weekend bg

Follow the action. Open up the scoreboard in AV and sort by Healing Done. If you can reach the #1 slot, you're ready for PVE healing with this setup. If you aren't, keep working on it.

Some key things is to experiment with the UI options. Make sure you darken the health bars of people who are out of range. It would suck if you were trying to heal someone who wasn't there because your UI wasn't setup right.
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Curious12

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true, setting the UI options ia via the interface tab ?



Archivis
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It's one of those options. I'm at work, so I can't verify.


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I use dps in PVE and you Have to use it in PVP some to heal. I have my monk in full honor gear and few malevolent pcs, an d I feel like I have monk healing down pretty well in pvp. Coupled with the cc and manuverability monks are strong in BG, RBG and feel a little weak with the burst that exists in arena.

This weekend I joined a few trade pugs for some RBG's. Most people were like AMG EWW MONK HEALER.. then When BG's ended and I was doubling and tripling the other healers in group, people were complaing monks are unbalanced lols.

I utilize jab when I can in pvp and chiwave on cooldown, SPK is nice for BG's if your group is grouped up. I use blakout kick when my team is trying to burn someone down. Disarm is amazing! Also I forget the hamstring abilities name, but in pvp I spam the crap out of that when im healing, because the root is awesome and the fact that the hamstring doesnt need to be refreshed on a target so long as I am within 10 yrds of them when its about to expire. If people try to peel away a simple chi torpedo and I'm back on the offensive.

I love and hate paralysis, the short cooldown is awesome, the ease of having it broken blows..

All in all I am really liking the monk playstyle. I just need to find some serious pvpers(ie Im the only person in my guild that has played >2200 multiple seasons/classes). I don't think there are enoguh MW monks out there to really gauge how strong or weak they are in arena. I'l have to check the updated laeader boards when I get off work, After sorting out all the warrior hunter teams that probably make up the top 10000 teams maybe I can find a monk or 2 out there