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KodiacZiller
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Re: Wayland 1.0 Officially Released

said by TuxRaiderPen:


No thanks. X is just fine.

Except X sucks where security is concerned.


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said by KodiacZiller:

said by TuxRaiderPen:


No thanks. X is just fine.

Except X sucks where security is concerned.

Amongst other things...

I find X to be more than a little counter-intuitive as well, just cause it's the thing I know the most, doesn't mean it isn't ripe for replacement.
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TuxRaiderPen

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said by KodiacZiller:
Except X sucks where security is concerned.
So if you need a new lock on your house... you build a whole new house?

No. That is not a means to justify a total change in the system.

Improve, enhance or correct the issue.. not throw the baby out with the bath water.

This boils down to:

solution looking for a problem.. I always see a litany of response about how this going to solve everything from the Linux desktop to world hunger, gasoline prices in the US, and peace in the mideast... No it its not. Its just more headaches to deal with and YET ANOTHER fork in the road to cause more hold back on acceptance of Linux corporate and personal.

coders who just don't want to conform and work on X because maybe the rules are more rigid than their accustom to, and their ideas were rejected. Welcome to the real world.

You want to rewrite X and refactor to fix 20 years worth of development and add features, or improve, I am all for it. BUT

It will still BE X and 100% backward compatible! That includes network transparency aka XDMCP, remote X via SSH... All those whippersnapper coders touting cloud computing... well Sonny We've been there done that DECADES ago! Just because maybe you were not alive or around to know it is not my problem to teach you the history of computing. Thin computing aka cloud has been around a long time. And its technology, XDMCP, remote X are things I use and cloud computing rely on daily.

This is more wasted coding time that could be better utilized elsewhere in the Linux chain.
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howardfine

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Often time, in software development, it is easier to rebuild a system than it is to continue patching it. Google hoped to get Firefox in a good state to enable the type of rapid development they wanted to see in browsers. Eventually they realized it was easier to build a new browser from scratch than it would be to get Firefox's codebase in proper order. That's why we have Chrome/Chromium.
At work we are doing the same thing. We've rebuilt our ordering, inventory, billing, and invoicing systems from scratch. Sometimes a new project that can work alongside the existing project is the best way forward.
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But they didn't break the web in the process. Wayland breaks compatibility.


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said by howardfine:

But they didn't break the web in the process. Wayland breaks compatibility.

Doesn't Wayland have a compatibility layer for X? Also, I don't think distros would pick it up as default until it's ready even though it reached 1.0 . Not to mention that we've hardly seen any info on Wayland for a while, so I don't think it'll get used for a while. Give it time.


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said by TuxRaiderPen:

said by KodiacZiller:
Except X sucks where security is concerned.
So if you need a new lock on your house... you build a whole new house?

Wayland is a new lock and paint on the front door. Why should Wayland have to defend itself from the stupidity of those who see a different colored door and claim it is a whole new house?

BUZZZZ!!! DING DING DING, lack of wisdom on the topic warning!
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TuxRaiderPen

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said by grunze510:
Doesn't Wayland have a compatibility layer for X? Also, I don't think distros would pick it up as default until it's ready even though it reached 1.0 . Not to mention that we've hardly seen any info on Wayland for a while, so I don't think it'll get used for a while.
Another layer to be broken, setup, bugs...etc... just more hassles for users and more problems that wouldn't exist to start.

No thanks.

X, please.

said by grunze510:
Give it time.
No thanks. I've rejected it to start. No need for it.
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TuxRaiderPen

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said by Maxo:
Often time, in software development, it is easier to rebuild a system than it is to continue patching it.
Again, I've said if you want to rebuild X to be X Super Edition, great I am all for it... BUT I WANT X, not waynonsense ALL 100% of X, and that includes XDMCP, you may not use it but several on this thread do, and all the buzz word cloud computing does...

And no hokey add on layers to cause more problems and troubleshoot...

You still have to be compatible with your previous system , and if your not your asking for trouble in most cases.

said by Maxo:
Google hoped to get Firefox in a good state to enable the type of rapid development they wanted to see in browsers. Eventually they realized it was easier to build a new browser from scratch than it would be to get Firefox's codebase in proper order. That's why we have Chrome/Chromium.
Wrong programs to mention to me, I despise and find neither useful.

google only needed to change things due to their eating at the ECMAscript buffet and using bleeding edge code that browsers may not be as current on... I only use Konqueror and if you lie to google it everything works quite nicely using the KHTML engine. So google knock of your BS with the messages, I don't care! I know what your up to and its worse than ms and their games with a browser !

said by Maxo:
At work we are doing the same thing. We've rebuilt our ordering, inventory, billing, and invoicing systems from scratch. Sometimes a new project that can work alongside the existing project is the best way forward.
Did some thing with same sort of items as well, but it didn't break the current system nor did it require any changes to software. And this is really not the same thing... these systems are not systems that other programs rely on to put their interface on the screen etc.. X is a key part of that.. In other words you don't break it to move forward.

This really is just going to push Linux backwards after decades of progress this could entirely erradicate it one fell swoop.

No thanks. KDE based on X, only please.

More solutions looking for problems...again.
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howardfine

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I wouldn't be talking like that when, by your question, you show you haven't been following along and don't know all the issues.


TuxRaiderPen

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said by GraysonPeddi:
How can Wayland be so controversial? What is the problem here in the forum?
If you have to ask that question...well.....
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