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Count Zero
Obama-Biden 2012
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reply to Telco

Re: Ahh the clueless iPhone consumer

said by Telco:

Just goes to show you clueless the average Iphone consumer is regarding wireless. Verizon at least has the #1 ranked CS and world leading network to back their prices up. AT&T (i.e. Cingular) wireless is nothing more than smoke and mirrors and a half-baked service, yet iPhone users still flock to them.

On a side note, of course ATT & VZ have all but abandoned the wireline market, where they have to actually earn their revenue legitimately. Instead, they now favor the cash cow wireless sector, that they essentially own. And the American consumer is happy to pay for it.

We were recently ranked as being up to 10 times more expensive than carriers abroad for data. Therefore, how much more expensive are we going to be in the next study... considering our main carriers now charge $40 to $50 for just 1 gig. In addition, charge you extra for the 'luxury' of being able to share this overpriced 1 gig.

As a recent switcher from AT&T to VZW I can honestly say that I don't think the disparity is as great as it once was. Granted with VZW I can use my phone at work around the hospital where AT&T doesn't get signal, but that's only because VZW has an antenna on top of our hospital...

The data speeds are slightly better on LTE with VZW here but AT&T has better 3G ("4G" HSPA+) speeds when you don't get LTE coverage...

And actually I have to admit I did use that talk & data feature on the AT&T iPhone a lot more than I realized - I hope VoLTE comes sooner rather than later!

Happydude32
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Get a real smartphone. Most, if not all of Verizon and Sprint’s newer Android phones can do simultaneous data and voice over 3G. The lame iPhone can’t even do that on when on 4G with the EVDO providers. Why people continue to use that inferior POS phone is beyond me.
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Ctrl Alt Del
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said by Happydude32:

Get a real smartphone.

Almost half of Verizon and almost 3/4 of AT&T customers are buying a real smartphone: an iPhone, a platform that had a responsive UI and excellent web browser long before Jelly Bean brought parity. Being able to do simultaneous data and voice apparently is not an important feature according to the buying public.

Android is an excellent portable OS, but wasn't until recently a good phone OS. iOS is moving in the other direction.
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Count Zero
Obama-Biden 2012
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reply to Happydude32
Pfft I'd sooner use a dumbphone than a POS android. You couldn't pay me to use an Android phone. I've converted nearly all of my friends from Android to iPhone without even trying b/c iOS is still better than Android and the iPhone is better hardware.

Android makers can copy-paste the iPhone and iOS it however they want phandroid but if I wanted a 5", 2lb phone just for simultaneous voice-data I guess my only option would be an Android - but in that case I'd just go back to AT&T and stick with an iPhone.


Count Zero
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I disagree, iOS hasn't advanced as rapidly as Android - but 99% of the advances in Android were just copying iOS to catch up and making small, incremental at best, updates to what iOS already had.

Android still isn't secure, their marketplace is filled with crapware and all of the hardware in the Android-world is poorly stylized after the iPhone and tends to be too large to carry comfortably in pant pockets.

Happydude32
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The iPhone is not a real smartphone. It's a trendy toy for 13 year old girls and for the technological challenged . Let's see, MMS, app switching, multi tasking, copy/paste, real turn by turn nav, all things iOS lacked. Apple finally caught up, but now the iToy lacks DLNA support, NFC, the screen is still too small. Not to mention no expandable memory . But hey, the head phone jack is now ON THE BOTTOM! Talk about revolutionary!

And FYI - The web browser on iOS, Safari Mobile is an utter joke. It sucks. Dolphin HD and Chrome completely destroy Safari.
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For the future of our nation, we must unite and vote out the terrorist known as Hussein Obama. Come November 6 2012 we must remove the socialist pig out of office and get our country back on the RIGHT track.

Happydude32
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quote:
but 99% of the advances in Android were just copying iOS to catch up and making small, incremental at best, updates to what iOS already had.
iMessage – Direct rip off of RIMs BBM

Notification Bar –Rip of off Android

Copy & Paste – My Windows Mobile PDA from 2002 could do that, my iPhone in 2010 could not

MMS – Didn’t get that until the iPhone had been out for a few years

App switching – Supported on Android natively well before iOS

Multitasking – Sure you could multitask on the iPhone, so long as you wanted to use the iPod app simultaneously with another app. Wanna listen to Pandora instead, sorry you're SOL. Could do that on Android though.

Turn by Turn Navigation – See the new Apple Maps or iMaps or whatever they call their abortion of a competitor to Google Maps

So now, what features exactly did Google copy from Apple? And don't say Siri, as voice assistant apps like Vlingo have been around on Android for a while. Android also had the whole Voice to Text thing before iOS.
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Count Zero
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Only the entire interface. See Android pre 2007.

And many of those "lacking" features were only present on android slightly before they were on the iPhone, Apple has a much more stable release cycle tied to the annual hardware updates, that explains most of the missing features. Google maps not having turn by turn on the iPhone was largely due to the Apple and Google dispute.

And so we're clear, while you claim Apple maps is an abortion, research groups have noted that very very few actual customers have had any significant problems with them. I personally have used them several times without any errors at all. I think that android users are just upset the apples maps look so nice, latch onto a few small errors and pretend the sky is falling.

Happydude32
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quote:
Only the entire interface. See Android pre 2007
Lemme guess, nothing but rows of icons? A similar boring UI as the iPhone. Fast forward to the past few years and we have widgets that allow for more customization. But then again, Apple users no nothing about customizations they just obey the commands of their leaders.

quote:
And many of those "lacking" features were only present on android slightly before they were on the iPhone, Apple has a much more stable release cycle tied to the annual hardware updates, that explains most of the missing features.
Go ahead, keep telling yourself that, and maybe you'll eventually believe that. I'm sure Apple is waiting for DLNA and NFC to 'improve' and be ‘more stable’ as well.

quote:
And so we're clear, while you claim Apple maps is an abortion, research groups have noted that very very few actual customers have had any significant problems with them. I personally have used them several times without any errors at all.
If you say so...

quote:
think that android users are just upset the apples maps look so nice, latch onto a few small errors and pretend the sky is falling.
Now that's pretty funny! After owning an iPhone for 16 long painstaking months, I can't think of a single thing I'm ‘upset’ at with Android over Apple. I've been using Google Nav just about every day for the past two years to do my job and never had an issue. I’d be worried if my livelihood relied on Apple Maps. And I’d rather have functionality over looks, not that I think anything on the iPhone is anything special to look at.

Sounds like someone is a little testy that Apple, while they promote themselves as some type of premium, state of the art, cutting edge company, is just the opposite and is often playing catch-up. HTC is coming out with a real 1080p display for their new One X. You Apple users will say, ‘why does anyone need a 1080p screen on a phone’. But then in three years or so when the iPhone 8S has a display resolution around 1920x1080, because heaven forbid if Apple has a standard display not some made up ‘Retina’ thing, it will be the best thing ever.
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Count Zero
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Aww… Another phandroid in denial.

Happydude32
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Yep in complete denial. Meanwhile you can't name any specific features Google copied from Apple. Nor reply to any of my points directly.

I'd rather be a Phandroid than a Sheep.


Count Zero
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Again, have you ever look at what android was pre-2007, everything android is now stems from the "Original Sin" – the blatant ripoff of iOS. The incremental updates the android has made "over" iOS are all due to that, and Apple's software release cycle being later in the year than android.

And in my experience, having used my brothers Motorola droid, and several droids of other people at work, iOS has always been more stable, the hardware has always worked better, and faster and more responsive, and has been less crash prone.

One important thing my iPhone has done very well since the 3GS is exchange compatibility, my friend with droids all had to pay for Good email software, Apple had it built in. Media has always been better on the iPhone. There are more high-quality, medical apps on the iPhone.

The iPhone screen blows away every other display I've seen next to it – including the Samsung galaxy three.

With the exception of widgets on the home screen, I have never seen Android to do anything better than the iPhone, and most things on android have been buggy in my experience.


ToxicDrew
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reply to Count Zero
Don't argue with it. The size of his phone makes it feel cocky and over confident about his tech knowledge. It has no life and must make itself feel good putting down others by making up statistics he pulled out of his butt. He seriously needs to be medicated so that he may realize he is just a green sheep in the black barn making fun of the white sheep in the red barn.
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Telco

join:2008-12-19
reply to Count Zero
Guys, not sure what you are arguing about. As of 2012, Win 8 mobile beats both hands down. The live tiles concept is fantastic and the GUI, even on a single core, is smooth.

Cannot wait for the Nokia 920 to come out.


Ctrl Alt Del
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reply to Happydude32
said by Happydude32:

The iPhone is not a real smartphone. It's a trendy toy for 13 year old girls and for the technological challenged .

I'm not going to argue with someone suffering from a Reality Distortion Field, as it's clear you are unable to see what made and makes the iPhone great. (This does not mean that Android is bad. They aren't mutually exclusive in excellence.)

said by Happydude32:

And FYI - The web browser on iOS, Safari Mobile is an utter joke. It sucks. Dolphin HD and Chrome completely destroy Safari.

However, this is one area where you are completely wrong. Mobile Safari was and is far away superior in standards compliance, HTML5 support, and speed over the Android Browser.

Mobile Safari has always offered better standards support: »www.infoworld.com/d/html5/ios-5s···y-175371

And it's also faster. When Anand tested the iPhone 5, Safari beat every single ARM based Android phone in every test suite. Only a phone running an Intel Atom can keep up: »www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-···eview/10

It wasn't until Chrome on Android came out that Google caught up to Apple. Chrome is a much better browser than the old Android Browser. But it took Google, what, 4 years to catch up to Apple with Chrome on Android?
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Count Zero
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reply to Telco
Metro is interesting but it's definitely not a "hands down winner".


Selenia
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said by Happydude32:

But hey, the head phone jack is now ON THE BOTTOM! Talk about revolutionary!

Me: Why does this iPhone suck?(holds iPhone upside down)
Apple: You're holding it wrong!!!
Me: But but I just wanna listen to my music without mashing the headphone plug in my jacket pocket! Wtf?
Apple: That headphone jack looks sexy on the bottom. Just buy our custom iJacket with a specialized hole in the bottom of the pocket. It looks sexay!
Me: But where do I put my money and wallet?
Apple: Don't worry. You won't have any of that by the time you're done buying our proprietary iCrap! All you need is iToys
Me: (running away screaming) I want my Android ; ;
Apple: Sorry, no app for that

Lol just had to.
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Selenia
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said by Ctrl Alt Del:

said by Happydude32:

The iPhone is not a real smartphone. It's a trendy toy for 13 year old girls and for the technological challenged .

I'm not going to argue with someone suffering from a Reality Distortion Field, as it's clear you are unable to see what made and makes the iPhone great. (This does not mean that Android is bad. They aren't mutually exclusive in excellence.)

said by Happydude32:

And FYI - The web browser on iOS, Safari Mobile is an utter joke. It sucks. Dolphin HD and Chrome completely destroy Safari.

However, this is one area where you are completely wrong. Mobile Safari was and is far away superior in standards compliance, HTML5 support, and speed over the Android Browser.

Mobile Safari has always offered better standards support: »www.infoworld.com/d/html5/ios-5s···y-175371

And it's also faster. When Anand tested the iPhone 5, Safari beat every single ARM based Android phone in every test suite. Only a phone running an Intel Atom can keep up: »www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-···eview/10

It wasn't until Chrome on Android came out that Google caught up to Apple. Chrome is a much better browser than the old Android Browser. But it took Google, what, 4 years to catch up to Apple with Chrome on Android?

You fail to address Dolphin HD. It's been out a long time and is excellent. Most stock browsers are crap modded by the manufacturer or carrier, but Android gives you choices, which is the biggest selling point of Android.
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A fool thinks they know everything.

A wise person knows enough to know they couldn't possibly know everything.

There are zealots for every OS, like every religion. They do not represent the majority of users for either.


Ctrl Alt Del
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said by Selenia:

You fail to address Dolphin HD. It's been out a long time and is excellent. Most stock browsers are crap modded by the manufacturer or carrier, but Android gives you choices, which is the biggest selling point of Android.

Dolphin HD may be excellent, but it uses the platform's native HTML rendering component rather than its own engine. This means that it handles Web content approximately the same way as the default browser: still worse than Safari Mobile. Again, it wasn't until Chrome that Google caught up to Apple, almost 4 years later.
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