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How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Don't some ISPs already have one? IE when I was on Telus I received and email from telus that that had received a DMCA complaint and named the thing the complaint was about. Telus didn't give up my info, and said it was for notification only. (IE there policy was to pass on the notices). This was at least 6 or 7 years ago already.

The only difference I see between that the new US system, is that you lose internet access once you receive 6 of them.

I am curious to know if they have mutual agreement in regions between all isps to do this? If they don't, that's going to become a huge competitive advantage for the isps that didn't sign up for it.

edit: I think the major weakness of these systems is that they all revolve around p2p technologies. P2P (ie torrents) involves you making direct connections to other ip's so its easy for the copyright trolls to see who is download/uploading content on p2p. The system will become somewhat useless as piracy moves away from p2p?

reply to MJB
if canada does then oh well. I've no idea why folks think they're owed free music and movies. now I must state I pirate like a madman. If you're dumb enough to get busted and get the warning well to bad. Pirates will find away around the 6 strike thing anyway.

reply to MJB
Telus receives complaints somehow and then passes them on, I'm not sure about other ISPs.

When I worked for a Telus wholesaler, we'd get alerts all the time from Telus about our customers. Which we'd then ignore.

reply to MJB
Here's the funny part, it'll just drive further underground. When I was a kid we used to meet in person and swap diskettes.

I can go down to my local metro, rent a blu ray movie for 2 bucks, bring it home, where I have the "tools" to copy/rip the disc.

Cutting off my Internet is going to SFA but make it a little more inconvenient.
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reply to MJB
besides allowing the the 1% to run the highest test octane in their jet powered superyahts ,

who will this help ?

reply to MJB
We kind of do. With the C-11 bill, upon receipt of a copyright notice ISPs are now required to forward the notification to the subscriber, and identify the subscriber based on the information provided (IP address etc) and store that for 6 months, or 1 year if the copyright holder takes court action.

Well I'm good because all I ever download is Linux ISOs, it's all open source and free, and besides that all the traffic appears to be coming from elwoodblues' house - which is really trivial to do.



Mike

reply to MJB
As bt mentioned, false positives are a problem but unsecured routers can also lead to problems. Since an IP address alone can't identify someone, there's no way to prove who actually shared a file. They would have to hold people accountable for not securing their network and many people don't know how to do this.

For those who share copyrighted material, this will just be a minor inconvenience. Some of them may decide to pay $5-10/month for a newsgroups subscription or for a VPN account to mask their IP while transferring files. Some people may decide to use anonymous P2P networks instead.

Technology continuously changes and when there's a need for anonymity, new types of file sharing technologies will emerge. The entertainment industry continues to play the whack a mole game and the only people who benefit from this are lawyers. Artists don't receive a cent from any of the lawsuits.

reply to MJB

Yeah, something is coming. The CRTC's speech takes a glancing swipe at this.

See:

Canadians as creators

I'd now like to turn to Canadians as creators.

A world-class communications system also needs a world-class mix of content that can touch the heart, delight the mind and seduce the imagination. Canada has tremendous resources of creative talent:
performers, writers, musicians, designers, producers, directors and experts in all the production crafts. We expect broadcasters to take full advantage of their contributions to the entertainment and cultural programming that helps to give us—and the rest of the world—a sense of who we are.

I use the word "creator" in the very broadest sense. Obviously it includes everybody involved in the creation, production and promotion of Canadian content.

But it also includes the broadcasters and distributors. They're the ones who showcase the content that Canadians can access. They contribute to the funds that support Canadian content production.

I also regard as creators those who build our telecommunications infrastructure, those who market the innovative services that we increasingly depend on, and those who work in the field of digital media, with all their potential for highlighting Canadian programming.

The CRTC mentions it only once in their 3 year plan, but mentions it nonetheless.

"Creators" is defined by this "new" CRTC as:
-Videotron (and their entire huge Media holdings, and TV Distribution), Bell (and of course Bell TV), And other other Broadcaster.
-Actors, actresses, writers, singers, etc, and their agents (and their law-firms)

It scares me that Videotron (the worse of the lot), who is also my internet provider, will also be my copyright cop if a kid downloads a True Blood episode instead of me buying their channel that carries it.

Let's not forget they're are also a music empire in Quebec (dunno about the rest of Canada) and have cheerfully stated they want music downloaders to be in court and sued.

So this does scare me off a bit. Especially with Videotron being the worse out of the whole lot of them in Canada in regards to this.

Oh well. When it happens I'll just spoof dillyhammer's IP.

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"It scares me that Videotron (the worse of the lot), who is also my internet provider, will also be my copyright cop if a kid downloads a True Blood episode instead of me buying their channel that carries it."

The way Canada is implementing it is designed so that the ISP is *not* the cop. All we would do if forward the notice to the end user, and let the people who want to send the notice that the end user has been sent the notice... so, notice and notice...
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reply to elwoodblues

When I was a kid we had AE Lines over the phone.

The first time I spent any amount of time transferring files, I got a whopper of a LD phone bill (my own line in my room) from Ma Bell.

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