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McBrain
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reply to Jobbie

Re: [MoP] 5.1 PTR Patch Notes

Not sure what the changes to Pyroblast and Combustion will bring exactly...

Pyroblast was a huge portion of Combustion damage, so hopefully the change in it's individual damage will be enough to make up for the loss of Pyroblast.

I guess it sets us up to be able to use Combustion closer to its cooldown instead of having to wait a few seconds after it is ready in order to get a big Pyroblast! crit. Now, we'll just have to wait for a big Fireball crit instead.

The added cooldown to Pyroblast is a little weird to me...very seldom are we able to use back to back Pyroblasts within 3 seconds of each other. But, on the other hand, there are times where I've had 4 or 5 instant Pyros in a 6-8 second period...that situation usually leads to big fat DPS increases...Maybe the added cooldown will just sort of spread the damage out a little better, instead of concentrating all the burst over a period less than 10 seconds in length.
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DarkLogix
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And when I get the back to back pyros bosses normally say.

"oh look a yummy mage"

with the Pyro CD being effected by haste I wonder what the actual CD will be.


Axa

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If the haste reduction is calculated like everything else, t/(1+h), it'll be something like this:

0% Haste = 3.00 seconds
10% Haste = 2.73 seconds
20% Haste = 2.50 seconds
30% Haste = 2.31 seconds
100% Haste = 1.50 seconds


DarkLogix
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and IIRC with a 5% raid buff I'm just a little over 12.5%


McBrain
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This week on Gara'jal I had 4 or 5 in a row...Lukcily I had Mirror Images up at the same time. It was towards the beginning of the fight and my DPS was like 90k at that point. Wish I could maintain that number...It helped that there was another Fire Mage in there that probably had 4 ilvls on me, he was pushing me to do the best I could so he didn't absolutely destroy me...I think he ended up somewhere around 70k and I was like 61 or 62k.
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DarkLogix
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This week on LFR part 2 3rd boss, me, immer, tier, sanc, tossed in the towel.

is it really so hard to kill the adds so they don't rape the healers?

the melee won't kill adds for anything, and there was a warlock doing about 45k because he was only attacking the bosses.


Immer
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The top dmg done in those wipes was a lock. He was beating the top melee dps, a DK. Given the way that fight works... I was suspicious. So I looked at his targets...
Jan-Xi 49%
Qin-Xi 29%
Emperor's Strength 9% (leaving the rest to the little adds).

congratulations... you topped the charts while we wiped due to not enough dmg on the adds. And you are a lock... no reason you couldn't have focused more on the adds and let the melee compete for top of the meter by staying on the boss (IF the adds are managed).

They wanted to blame the tanks. Really? you try tanking while being stunned by the add that never should have gotten so close. Then they blamed healers for not keeping the tanks up... okay... did you see the adds overrunning the healers? No? Oh, because your camera was fixed on Jan and Qin and you tunneled your vision on Recount. Gratz.

/endrant.
/woosaaah
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JB
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Wait, so LFR doesn't mean looking for ret.....s.(You get the point) Damn, I was wrong all along.


Skittles
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said by JB:

Wait, so LFR doesn't mean looking for retribution paladins.(You get the point) Damn, I was wrong all along.

/fixed.


JB
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It's funny you say that, our ret pally is .... special.


DarkLogix
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said by JB:

Wait, so LFR doesn't mean looking for ret.....s.(You get the point) Damn, I was wrong all along.

What you mean its not Looking For Random bad ways to kill a boss?


McBrain
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said by JB:

It's funny you say that, our ret pally is .... special.

I thought being...special was a prerequisite for being a Ret Pally.
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JB
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It does usually mean you can't heal or tank


Carpie

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reply to DarkLogix
said by DarkLogix:

This week on LFR part 2 3rd boss, me, immer, tier, sanc, tossed in the towel.

is it really so hard to kill the adds so they don't rape the healers?

the melee won't kill adds for anything, and there was a warlock doing about 45k because he was only attacking the bosses.

Sounds like the LFR I was in last night. We wiped a total of 5 times (once because someone accidentally started the fight early, and another because someone intentionally started the fight early, hollered out an FU and left). Anyhow, the original strategy was dps on adds, bring them down fast and don't worry about the bosses. The end strategy that was provided was melee dps bring down adds, ranged dps stay on bosses. Having said that, I'm a 'lock and I disregarded the strategy anyhow because the melee weren't bringing down the adds fast enough so I chipped in. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.


DarkLogix
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That doesn't sound like the group I was in.

my group wiped server al times and it stat we put in chat was all DPS on adds if adds are clear then you can DPS the bosses.

there was a lock that just stuck to the bosses.

and melee didn't want to touch the adds.

and most of the ranged didn't ether.

I'd frost nova the focused adds (BTW ring of frost didn't appear to work)

and I was stuck running and dps'ing the whole time, barely got a chance without adds to toss dps at the bosses.

then tanks would lose aggro or get hit by to many attacks and healers would get interrupted.

the best one was a 2% wipe.

and the lock that was top dps (at 45k) because he, like immer said, didn't touch the adds, was also spamming rather foul emotes.

We actually have sanc in tank spec because he want tank gear though qued as healer, so we had 3 tanks and still the adds got to the healers.


Immer
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reply to Carpie
said by Carpie:

The end strategy that was provided was melee dps bring down adds, ranged dps stay on bosses. Having said that, I'm a 'lock and I disregarded the strategy anyhow because the melee weren't bringing down the adds fast enough so I chipped in. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

If you were melee heavy, I could see going with that strat. However, 2 of the adds (Strength and Rage) mechanic's put melee at considerably greater risk than ranged. It's just easier for ranged to kite and avoid the revitalizing strike.
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DarkLogix
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the strike is always in front of it so melee can be behind while ranged pull the aggro.


Nick D
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reply to DarkLogix
For the record, the adds are not meant to be tanked by actual tanks.

Rage fixates on a random raid member, but they're weak and CCable.
Strength has a normal aggro table, but a ranged should have the threat, due to constant PBAOE.
Courage fixates on a far tank, but can only be attacked from behind.

So I'd put melee on Courage, Ranged on Strength, and everyone on Rage when those are dead. THEN the bosses.

EDIT: note: I refuse to do LFR because I can't get in with a tank spec even when queued with a healer. I suppose I can farm DPS gear at some point. And no, I'm not going to DPS in tank spec. I'm not that desparate.

EDIT: made my strat sentence non-retarded.


Immer
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said by Nick D:

So I'd put melee on Courage, Ranged on Strength, and everyone else on Rage. THEN the bosses.

I like it.


DarkLogix
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BTW on rages some things I noticed.

1. dragon's breath change the fixate target.

2. it is possible to aggro one but if it takes that long for it to die then the group is bad. (think of their fixate as if the one that's fixated just used a super insane taunt)