 vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | HMS Bounty (replica) has sunk.... |
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yabos
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London, ON | Um, it's not like this hurricane is a surprise. Why were they out on the water? Yes they were 160 miles from the center of the hurricane but that seems quite dumb to be out there right now. |
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| said by yabos:Um, it's not like this hurricane is a surprise. Why were they out on the water? Yes they were 160 miles from the center of the hurricane but that seems quite dumb to be out there right now.
Thats exactly what I'm wondering... Stupidity at its finest, especially in a freakin full blown sailing ship. |
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Claudia McCann, whose husband is the captain of the Bounty, said she hadn't slept since she received word the ship was taking on water.
She said her husband, Captain Robin Walbridge, was trying to get around Hurricane Sandy en route to Florida.
"He was just trying to avoid it, skirt it. Skirt through it, skirt around it," McCann said Monday.
"I'm sure he's devastated. Absolutely devastated. But the crew comes first and you have to save the crew." No idea what were they thinking in trying to get around a storm of that size. Maybe didn't want to park it in Halifax in case the waters get rough and the ship sinks in harbour? |
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| said by ekster:Claudia McCann, whose husband is the captain of the Bounty, said she hadn't slept since she received word the ship was taking on water.
She said her husband, Captain Robin Walbridge, was trying to get around Hurricane Sandy en route to Florida.
"He was just trying to avoid it, skirt it. Skirt through it, skirt around it," McCann said Monday.
"I'm sure he's devastated. Absolutely devastated. But the crew comes first and you have to save the crew." Trying to out run or "get around" a hurricane in a sailing vessel???????
I would think twice about that in a freakin' battleship!
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Sunk? Abandoned, yes. It seems the Canadian press is taking some liberties.
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North York, ON | said by Thingamajig:Sunk? Abandoned, yes. It seems the Canadian press is taking some liberties.
It is being reported everywhere that it sunk. |
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| "As six-metre waves and ferocious gales battered the decks of the 180-foot, three-masted ship - knocking out its power - 16 terrified crew-members clambered into life boats to watch their floating home shrink unmanned into the darkness."
»www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article···Ai4gLUXv
No one watched it sink.
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | A report from CNN website...
»www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/us/sandy-···pt=hp_c2 |
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"The ship has sunk, according to the Coast Guard at 8:45 a.m. Monday." |
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14 of the 16 crew were rescued. One (Claudene Christian) found, but she could not be revived. Captain (Robin Walbridge) is still missing.
The ship was at sea because that's where ships are safest. It's common practice to leave harbour in the face of a storm rather than be battered against the pier. In this case, the Bounty lost power and thus the ability to pump the bilge and fight the storm. |
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | said by Tig:14 of the 16 crew were rescued. One (Claudene Christian) found, but she could not be revived. Captain (Robin Walbridge) is still missing.
The ship was at sea because that's where ships are safest. It's common practice to leave harbour in the face of a storm rather than be battered against the pier. In this case, the Bounty lost power and thus the ability to pump the bilge and fight the storm.
Claudene Christian is a distant relative of the real Fletcher Christian...
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»blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_ge···ant.html
Claudene Christian was the great-great-great-great-great-granddaughter of Fletcher Christian
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said by Tig:14 of the 16 crew were rescued. One (Claudene Christian) found, but she could not be revived. Captain (Robin Walbridge) is still missing.
The ship was at sea because that's where ships are safest. It's common practice to leave harbour in the face of a storm rather than be battered against the pier. In this case, the Bounty lost power and thus the ability to pump the bilge and fight the storm.
What are you doing trying to input knowledge and sense into a CanChat living room quarterback fest? |
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The Captain was a god damned idiot plain and simple.
Consider this quote concerning the 3rd fleet during WW2 in the Pacific.
"The inexorable Law of Storms -- the Bible of all seamen since the days of astrolabe and sail -- was neglected, and the US Third Fleet, proud in its might, paid the penalty -- more men lost, more ships sunk and damaged than in many of the engagements of the Pacific war."
I mean come on, the captain of the Bounty thinks he can do in a damned sailing ship that which was enough to kick the ass of a modern military fleet that had just tasted victory only recently.
The guy might not be guilty of any real law, but he sure is criminally stupid. |
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Running downwind | 
Close-hauled |
Saw video taken from the rescue chopper showing the Bounty with its deck awash. If it's still that way this morning the only way it could be saved is if somebody got a 10,000+ gallon/minute pump on board and the boat was bobbing so that the gunwales were above the water for 30 seconds at a time (enough time to pump out about 50,000 lbs.) and no openings below that level were open to the sea. Otherwise it's sunk.
I've been out in 30 foot waves on a 55' sailboat....gets pretty scary at times, especially at night. That said, I'd LOVE to be on a Volvo Open 70 doing a trans-Atlantic run @ 30+ knots top speed. |
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Assuming the captain checked the weather charts, he may have underestimated the power of this Cat 1 hurricane. Because it never made significant landfall until the end, the wind drove the sea for days on end, building up huge waves, far larger than usual for this category of storm.
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said by Sukunai:The Captain was a god damned idiot plain and simple.
Consider this quote concerning the 3rd fleet during WW2 in the Pacific.
"The inexorable Law of Storms -- the Bible of all seamen since the days of astrolabe and sail -- was neglected, and the US Third Fleet, proud in its might, paid the penalty -- more men lost, more ships sunk and damaged than in many of the engagements of the Pacific war."
I mean come on, the captain of the Bounty thinks he can do in a damned sailing ship that which was enough to kick the ass of a modern military fleet that had just tasted victory only recently.
The guy might not be guilty of any real law, but he sure is criminally stupid.
Speaking of stupid, can you quote where in The Sailor's Horn-Book for the Law of Storms, written by Henry Piddington in 1848, it's recommended that ships be docked in the middle of a hurricane?
The book actually explains the wind behaviour during a cyclone/hurricane and makes recommendation on how to best navigate through and around it.
Do you have ANY evidence that the Captain of the Bounty II didn't follow it's recommendations?
Here's a reference to help you quote the appropriate passages you accuse the Captain not to have followed:
»books.google.ca/books?id=HpwTAAA···&f=false |
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Sorry Gimli, I don't do google tag, the link was a matter of convenience, the knowledge of the event comes from my rather large not on google library and concerns the event mentioned from 1944 which I happen to be an expert on.
The point is, the Bounty shouldn't have been out to sea. The captain should have had enough experience to know that. He shouldn't even need to have read the book to begin with. |
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Ottawa, ON | said by Sukunai:Sorry Gimli, I don't do google tag, the link was a matter of convenience, the knowledge of the event comes from my rather large not on google library and concerns the event mentioned from 1944 which I happen to be an expert on.
The point is, the Bounty shouldn't have been out to sea. The captain should have had enough experience to know that. He shouldn't even need to have read the book to begin with.
So you're not prepared to back up your comments with anything other than deflection to an irrelevant event you are a self-proclaimed expert on. Gotcha. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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London, ON | come on now...i'm no sea captain, and i can tell you that sailing a ship through the middle of a hurricane was a stupid idea...period. |
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