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| Question on phone wiring pricing Sorry if this is the wrong forum, if it is move it to were it belongs please.
I am giving a quote to replace aging telephone wiring. It's starting to rot (been in the rain to long) and needs to be replaced. I will be hanging 100ft of conduit around the building to run the wires through.
First, what would you charge to run and hang the conduit 15 ft above ground? It will involve drilling a hole in the concrete, and then putting the clamp on with a concrete screw.
Second, what would you charge for wiring the 66 blocks? The inside lines are perfectly fine, its the outside wires that are being replaced. There are 5 phone lines in the building total (5th line is fax), 13 offices. I will basicaly be running the main cat5 line (plenum cabling) into the 66 blocks 13 times.
Thanks
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canada | Way too many variables to give a price based on what you've provided... What size of conduit? EMT, PVC, or rigid? How's access? Ladders or lifts or ???
Also, tying new into old, I almost always go T&M... Too many gotcha's otherwise.
I bill out at 78/hr, another 45/hr if I need a helper for T & M jobs... For adding new drops in commercial space, I charge 125 flat rate, assuming drop ceilings, and reasonable access... |
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icexPremium
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USA | It's 1/2 inch PVC conduit, we'll be using a ladder for access. |
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LazManPremium
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canada | reply to icex
I'd still go T&M on the job... Sounds like maybe 2 days work, again, hard to say without seeing it. Helper would make it go quicker...
Maybe 1500-2k? |
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Drilling holes into concrete with a drill while standing on a ladder does not sound like a safe thing to be doing, you should get rolling Scaffolding, anything can happen if you fall off a ladder at any height. |
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icexPremium
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USA | reply to LazMan
There is no way the customer will pay $1500-2000 to do it. What is T&M by the way? |
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icexPremium
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We have a 15 ft step ladder and I have a helper that will be helping. How much does scaffolding cost? |
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LazManPremium
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canada | reply to icex
Time and materials...
100' of conduit, cable, and tying back into the existing isn't going to be quick... Time is money! |
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 John GaltForward, MarchPremium
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Rough guess (based on many years of personal experience):
Run conduit = 4 hours
Pull wires = 2 hours
Termination = 2 hours
$40 per hour
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Oh yeah I know. Do you think $500 is a fair price for terminating 4 lines 13 times on the 66 block, or is that too low or to hihg?
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Something I want to mention as well.
Their 66 block is mounted underneith their floor (2 story building) on the air duct so its going to involve standing on a ladder with my head in the ceiling upside down wiring it. So its probaly going to be all day wiring it.
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canada | reply to icex
52 terminations? Say 5 mins per, plus some setup, say 4.5 hrs? At my rate, that's about $350...
Just saw your post about being upside down in a ceiling... $500 isn't out of line at all. |
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| Yeah it will be a all day job. To beat it all its in the middle of a thrift store (the actual building the wires is going to is a law firm but she owns the whole building) so I'll be working in the middle of people shopping.
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bdnhsv
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Huntsville, AL | reply to icex
What do you think your time and your helper's time is worth, and how long do you think this is going to take you? If the customer isn't willing to pay you what you have to have to make a reasonable profit, then it isn't worth it to do the job. You've said you think you need a full day to terminate lines into the 66 block, and you have a lot of other work mentioned as well - so it sounds like it's maybe 2 days or more (but you'll have to figure out how many hours based on what you see when you look at the job site). Also, don't forget to figure out your costs for materials (conduit, brackets, cable, etc), and then determine how much you need to mark that up as well. |
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| said by bdnhsv:What do you think your time and your helper's time is worth, and how long do you think this is going to take you? If the customer isn't willing to pay you what you have to have to make a reasonable profit, then it isn't worth it to do the job. You've said you think you need a full day to terminate lines into the 66 block, and you have a lot of other work mentioned as well - so it sounds like it's maybe 2 days or more (but you'll have to figure out how many hours based on what you see when you look at the job site). Also, don't forget to figure out your costs for materials (conduit, brackets, cable, etc), and then determine how much you need to mark that up as well.
The customer is supplying the conduit and brackets. I am thinking to hang the conduit up will take a few hours and then the terminations wil take the longest.
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Slightly confused about what you are doing? Are you running from the demarc to the 66 to feed the PBX or from the PBX to the phones? Or do they not have any sort or PBX and you are running 5 individual lines to each of the 13 offices?
Is there no way to run inside? Hanging 100' of con 15' in the air with a ladder is not something I would do. |
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Walk away from the job you don't know what you are doing and may get yourself or your helper hurt!
If you reread all your post you should agree with this post! |
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The wires go every which way, are spliced everywere and eventualy end up punched down into a 66 block and then the 66 block is wired into the office jacks.
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said by icex:Yeah it will be a all day job. To beat it all its in the middle of a thrift store (the actual building the wires is going to is a law firm but she owns the whole building) so I'll be working in the middle of people shopping.
Will that not that add another layer of cost and time to complete the job? Would assume that you would have to take steps to ensure that no shopper would run into your ladder. Warning tape and other means that will have to be setup every time the ladder is moved?
Maybe a small item, but all the little things encountered in a job, can add up to to longer time to complete.
Also does that not add another layer of Liability, if some numb nut hit your helper, or the ladder or caused you to fall off the ladder or drop tools, conduit or ?. |
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1 edit | There is hardly anyone in the shop, but I plan to have some tape to tape the area off and cones around the ladder.
ETA: The conduit will be around the back of the building, no one is around there. Just the wiring is done in the thirft store. |
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