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Walter Dnes

join:2008-01-27
Thornhill, ON

[Serious] Howsabout cutting down trees near powerlines+houses?

This idea will probably get the tree-huggers up in arms, but Sandy demonstrated that having tall trees near powerlines and houses is a bad idea. Wind blows, takes tree down, tree takes down powerline, or crashes into house. We really need to look at all trees, and apply a simple test.. if it falls down, will it take out a powerline or crash into a house. If the answer is yes, get rid of it now. How many more people need to be killed by falling trees, how many more unnecessary power outages do we have to suffer?


urbanriot
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Re: [Serious] Howsabout cutting down trees near powerlines+house

When was the last hurricane in Thornhill?

bt

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reply to Walter Dnes
That seems..... excessive.

They already do trim around power lines to mitigate the risk, and that's enough for me. The number of trees that would have to go to completely remove the risk is far too high in my opinion.

Edit: I don't think there'd be a single mature tree in my neighbourhood if that was done. That would be horribly depressing.


donoreo
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said by bt:

That seems..... excessive.

They already do trim around power lines to mitigate the risk, and that's enough for me. The number of trees that would have to go to completely remove the risk is far too high in my opinion.

Mine too. It is worth the risk.


elwoodblues
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said by urbanriot:

When was the last hurricane in Thornhill?

These are just from around Toronto


urbanriot
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said by elwoodblues:

said by urbanriot:

When was the last hurricane in Thornhill?

These are just from around Toronto

How many people died in that Toronto hurricane?

MaynardKrebs
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reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:

said by urbanriot:

When was the last hurricane in Thornhill?

These are just from around Toronto

Tress fall over all the time. Dead limbs fall all the time.
Shit happens.
More shit happens in a wind storm.

Two lines -one drawn through Vaughn-St. Thomas/Windsor and from Goderich to Barrie more or less defines Ontario's "tornado alley".
Mebbe we should pre-emptively bulldoze the all houses in tornado alley and rebuild with all services and homes underground. Oh but wait ...... what if there's a flood....all those underground homes will be swimming pools and people will drown... Ok...then we force everyone to have a boat too....but then they'll fall out of the boat.....so we have to teach everyone how to swim.........


ekster
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Can't have basements in case of an earthquake. You don't want everything fall on you and then getting stuck with out way out and suffocating without air.

Also, houses can't be build with anything that's flammable or it'll burn down.

All houses should be exactly 1 story high, no basements, and built from non-flammable materials only (100% asbestos would be great! And Ontario can get it pretty cheap too, I bet.) . And there can be no trees, lamp posts or sign posts near by.

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said by ekster:

Can't have basements in case of an earthquake. You don't want everything fall on you and then getting stuck with out way out and suffocating without air.

Also, houses can't be build with anything that's flammable or it'll burn down.

All houses should be exactly 1 story high, no basements, and built from non-flammable materials only (100% asbestos would be great! And Ontario can get it pretty cheap too, I bet.) . And there can be no trees, lamp posts or sign posts near by.

Actually, structures built with base isolation (lots of techniques for this) will do fine in an earthquake.


elwoodblues
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reply to urbanriot
One that I can think off. And that is the results of Sandy's winds


donoreo
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said by elwoodblues:

One that I can think off. And that is the results of Sandy's winds

Yes, woman hit by a Staples sign.


elwoodblues
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said by donoreo:

said by elwoodblues:

One that I can think off. And that is the results of Sandy's winds

Yes, woman hit by a Staples sign.

Used to be my old working 'hood too just up the road.
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agtle

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said by donoreo:

Yes, woman hit by a Staples sign.

So I guess that would mean we should remove all tall signs too eh?


donoreo
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said by agtle :

said by donoreo:

Yes, woman hit by a Staples sign.

So I guess that would mean we should remove all tall signs too eh?

That I would be ok with


urbanriot
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reply to donoreo
said by donoreo:

said by elwoodblues:

One that I can think off. And that is the results of Sandy's winds

Yes, woman hit by a Staples sign.

All right then, we need to eliminate trees and signs from Toronto in the event of hurricanes.

Gami00

join:2010-03-11
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2 recommendations

wouldn't it be better if we just remove "Toronto" in the event of a hurricane.

that way, everyone is safe.


urbanriot
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i just spit coffee on my screen thanks to you.


Thane_Bitter
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There is a plan in the works but it means everyone will have to buy large amounts of bleach:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwxl_-DH ··· l_-DHqKo


digitalfutur
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reply to Walter Dnes
Cost benefit? How many trees vs how much to cut down vs how much money lost to an infrequent power failure caused by a falling tree.

Priorities.


Devanchya
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reply to Walter Dnes
We keep a lot of tree's away from power lines already, but here's the thing... the tree near the power line to YOUR house is... your responsibility as soon as it hits your property.
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peterboro
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said by Devanchya:

We keep a lot of tree's away from power lines already, but here's the thing... the tree near the power line to YOUR house is... your responsibility as soon as it hits your property.

An aerial component, unless you suggest a Lord of the Rings movement, would not be your responsibility.


J E F F
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reply to Walter Dnes
Hydro One is taking down some stuff on their property in Waterloo and everyone is up in arms (people living in the area). Not hurricane related, but that is the type of stuff that caused the issue with the 2003 blackout, tree's that interfered with the electrical lines in Ohio.
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urbanriot
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It happens all the time in rural areas around here too, areas like Ridgeway and Port Colborne that were without power for a week. There's a lot of trees to remove in Ridgeway.

It's probably easier to re-cable.


DKS
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reply to J E F F
said by J E F F:

Hydro One is taking down some stuff on their property in Waterloo and everyone is up in arms (people living in the area). Not hurricane related, but that is the type of stuff that caused the issue with the 2003 blackout, tree's that interfered with the electrical lines in Ohio.

Hydro One cuts trees in our area at least every ten years. They are working at Sauble Beach right now. It is required and it works.
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mr weather
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reply to Walter Dnes
It was the lack of tree trimming by an Ohio utility that contributed to the 2003 Blackout.
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Wolfie00
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said by DKS:

Hydro One cuts trees in our area at least every ten years. They are working at Sauble Beach right now. It is required and it works.

It works in your area? Is that why the whole area around Owen Sound was one of the largest Hydro One service outages in all of Ontario as the remnants of Hurricane Sandy moved in? IIRC, over 15,000 customers were without power at one point in a broad swath of rural area around OS, the largest concentrated outage I saw anywhere in Hydro One territory during the storm.


DKS
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said by Wolfie00:

said by DKS:

Hydro One cuts trees in our area at least every ten years. They are working at Sauble Beach right now. It is required and it works.

It works in your area? Is that why the whole area around Owen Sound was one of the largest Hydro One service outages in all of Ontario as the remnants of Hurricane Sandy moved in? IIRC, over 15,000 customers were without power at one point in a broad swath of rural area around OS, the largest concentrated outage I saw anywhere in Hydro One territory during the storm.

The majority were in OS itself when a feeder line on a pole (not a tree) from the hydro substation on the 6th St. hill came down in the wind. The transformer on the pole leaked about 160 l of PCB-laced mineral oil into the Sydenham river. The majority were back on line by the next morning and everyone within 18 hours. Not all of it was trees.
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sm5w2
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reply to Walter Dnes
What everyone is not understanding, from an urban-planning perspective, is that if you removed all trees that are planted in the utility right-of-way under or near power lines, you'd basically eliminate about half of the trees of any community.

The answer is to bury the power lines, not kill off our dwindling supply of mature trees.

About the only place that a tree can actually grow to full maturity are the ones on public property. Many new residential lots built in the last 20 years have a pittance for a yard - not enough space for a tree, let alone a mature tree.


A Lurker
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reply to digitalfutur
said by digitalfutur:

Cost benefit? How many trees vs how much to cut down vs how much money lost to an infrequent power failure caused by a falling tree.

I agree with that.

Having said the local power companies can be truly annoying to deal with. About 6 or 7 years back some of us started complaining about the fact that they hadn't done any trimming in almost a decade. During stormy weather during the year you could stand in your backyard and see the trees smacking the power lines. These were the really bad days you see only a few times a year. I'd say at least 6 or 8 houses called (that I know of) and complained, nothing happened.

Next year, same thing, nothing happened.

Year after, power lost during storms three times. Then they finally came and cut the damn trees.


WhaleOilBee
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reply to sm5w2
said by sm5w2:

What everyone is not understanding, from an urban-planning perspective, is that if you removed all trees that are planted in the utility right-of-way under or near power lines, you'd basically eliminate about half of the trees of any community.

The answer is to bury the power lines, not kill off our dwindling supply of mature trees.

About the only place that a tree can actually grow to full maturity are the ones on public property. Many new residential lots built in the last 20 years have a pittance for a yard - not enough space for a tree, let alone a mature tree.

We have all underground services and had to agree to only clear the minimum trees required to build a house and septic field on 2 acre lot. In ice storm of '99, a tree fell on the house. Lucky it was cedar and the major force of impact was absorbed by the branches - no roof damage, only a dented eaves-trough. Since then, any close tree big enough to hit the house has mysteriously vanished.