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silbaco
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Good idea...

This is a good idea to stop criminals from using them, but I don't think it makes up for the lack or personal responsibility. How many phones are truly stolen versus simply lost, falsely reported stolen, or poorly looked after? For someone to steal my phone they would have to actually take it out of my pocket or break into my house and have the slight chance of me not having it with me. Both are unlikely scenarios. Phones are not cars sitting in unmonitored parking lots. If you take reasonable measures to look after them the chance of them getting truly stolen is extremely slim.

This won't stop the amount of phones getting "stolen" it will only kill the after market.

"Carriers are also expected to ramp up education efforts aimed at reducing theft and resale."

I'll believe it when I see it.


PhoenixAZ
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said by silbaco:

This is a good idea to stop criminals from using them, but I don't think it makes up for the lack or personal responsibility. How many phones are truly stolen versus simply lost, falsely reported stolen, or poorly looked after? For someone to steal my phone they would have to actually take it out of my pocket or break into my house and have the slight chance of me not having it with me. Both are unlikely scenarios. Phones are not cars sitting in unmonitored parking lots. If you take reasonable measures to look after them the chance of them getting truly stolen is extremely slim.

This won't stop the amount of phones getting "stolen" it will only kill the after market.

"Carriers are also expected to ramp up education efforts aimed at reducing theft and resale."

I'll believe it when I see it.

You're definitely right with that one. I don't even know how many times I've been to a bar, restaurant, or even playground where people would just leave their phone on the table as they go to do other things, such as using the restroom.


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said by silbaco:

How many phones are truly stolen versus simply lost, falsely reported stolen, or poorly looked after?

This won't stop the amount of phones getting "stolen" it will only kill the after market.

In New York, more than 40 percent of all robberies involve cellphones and in Washington, D.C., cellphone thefts accounted for 38 percent of all robberies in 2011.

If there is little to no aftermarket for stolen phones, the criminals will stop stealing them.
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silbaco
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I have a hard time believing those numbers are truly all robberies. Around here, the average stolen cell phone is a coverup for "I left at a bar," "I was drunk and left it at a party," "I forgot it on the roof of my car and drove off," "I was stupid and left it lying around," "I dropped it on the sidewalk," "I left my phone at my gf/bf's house and they read my texts and flushed the phone down the toilet when the realized I was cheating on them," etc. Avoiding the challenge of personal responsibility and possible humiliation. I can't count the amount of teenagers especially that I have seen use the excuse of it being stolen to cover up their irresponsibility.


Simba7
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said by silbaco:

"Carriers are also expected to ramp up education efforts aimed at reducing theft and resale."

There ya go, since it would hurt their "sales".

Truthfully, if someone talented enough wanted to sell a stolen phone, they could pull it off easily.


Bootes
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How many of them are filing fake police reports on their stolen phone? Maybe they tell their friend's and family that it was stolen, but I doubt they're filing police reports and being counted in these statistics.


Bootes
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If you find a lost phone and try to sell it, you're stealing it and the phone belongs in this list anyway. It's fairly easy to figure out who owns the phone and get it back to them. If you can't be bothered with this, give it to the police or some sort of lost and found where you found it.

Here's an example of how a phone gets stolen.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-nUxexM···embedded


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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

said by silbaco:

How many phones are truly stolen versus simply lost, falsely reported stolen, or poorly looked after?

This won't stop the amount of phones getting "stolen" it will only kill the after market.

In New York, more than 40 percent of all robberies involve cellphones and in Washington, D.C., cellphone thefts accounted for 38 percent of all robberies in 2011.

If there is little to no aftermarket for stolen phones, the criminals will stop stealing them.

Or the criminals that steal phones will learn how to clone imeis.
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silbaco
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I think you would be surprised. If they can get something out of it, say insurance money, they'll do it.


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said by PhoenixAZ:

You're definitely right with that one. I don't even know how many times I've been to a bar, restaurant, or even playground where people would just leave their phone on the table as they go to do other things, such as using the restroom.

... and that makes it ok for someone else to pickup and sell/use because.....
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It may not be right but it's not the Govt's nor carriers job to baby sit the customer either. What happens when I lost my phone and report it lost, it goes on the database and I end up getting it back. does the IEMI get removed from the list? This is another crazy form of regulation to "protect" those that don't want to take responsibility on anything.

The better question is though will resellers be forced to comply? Especially companies like Cricket that allow flashed phones and will take any phone as long as it works, since they maintain their own database and will reuse phones regardless if reported stolen or not.


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Reporting it lost vs. stolen are looked at 2 different ways by the big carriers this Ive noticed.
Lost means you are S.O.L, and you need to purchase a new phone, stolen with a police report you may be able to get your carrier to paly ball. ( see my post above).


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reply to silbaco
said by silbaco:

I think you would be surprised. If they can get something out of it, say insurance money, they'll do it.

Agreed, once they see a loophole ( which there is one see my posts above) its all over. Theres a big difference to report it stolen and get a free phone or say you lost it and be S.O.L and need to purchase a phone all over again.


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Most couldn't be bothered.

The criminal element, for the most part, is made up of people looking for the "path of least resistance". This applies to pretty much everything they do or ever have done in life. School, work (if they work), their homes, thievery & making money.

If your typical off the shelf thief or robber finds it more difficult to simply flip the phone over to a friend in exchange for "whatever" or sell it on Craigslist, they'll go elsewhere.

There's always some new way to make a quick, illegal buck....
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Think of those people who walk down the street looking at their phone with their headphones on, not paying attention.

I got called a pervert by a woman who WAS going to be hit by a car. I ran in front of her and grabbed her(accidentally by the chest) before she was hit and almost killed. People do that all the time. Do that in the dark in a not nice neighborhood once and your phone's gone.

You could reply with "people shouldn't do stupid things." You'd be right. But they do. Many public services exist because millions of people not ready for children couldn't invest $0.99 in protection.
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thender
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The criminal that cannot change an IMEI number, the criminal that can do nothing other than rob a phone from a passerby on the street, is a criminal who does not read the news. He will have no idea what an IMEI number is, or that IMEI numbers are reported to a database which devalues stolen phones.

Further, many people will have no idea what their IMEI number is. Many people do not save the phone box or their IMEI number prior to theft. They'll report it stolen without reporting the IMEI number.
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thender
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Talented people when it comes to phone stuff make apps for six figures.

Talented lazy people when it comes to phone stuff run unlocking/repair businesses out of their apartments.

Idiots when it comes to phone stuff stand on street corners, wait for people who are not paying attention, and strike.

Not precise, but you get my point. There may be one tiny group of talented people who get on the news because they created a business based on helping criminals turn over stolen phones. For the most part, REAL phone thefts(not false claims for insurance/replacement purposes) are degenerate white trash & hoodrats who have no idea how to do that shit.

Let's say you're smart enough to figure out how to change/get around the IMEI number. You are probably smart enough to do something else with your life that pays 5x as much, with the same amount of effort applied.
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PhoenixAZ
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said by thender:

Talented people when it comes to phone stuff make apps for six figures.

Talented lazy people when it comes to phone stuff run unlocking/repair businesses out of their apartments.

Idiots when it comes to phone stuff stand on street corners, wait for people who are not paying attention, and strike.

Not precise, but you get my point. There may be one tiny group of talented people who get on the news because they created a business based on helping criminals turn over stolen phones. For the most part, REAL phone thefts(not false claims for insurance/replacement purposes) are degenerate white trash & hoodrats who have no idea how to do that shit.

Let's say you're smart enough to figure out how to change/get around the IMEI number. You are probably smart enough to do something else with your life that pays 5x as much, with the same amount of effort applied.

No, but these are the people who scour craigslist for "Mr. $10 IMEI changer"


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said by PhoenixAZ:

said by thender:

Talented people when it comes to phone stuff make apps for six figures.

Talented lazy people when it comes to phone stuff run unlocking/repair businesses out of their apartments.

Idiots when it comes to phone stuff stand on street corners, wait for people who are not paying attention, and strike.

Not precise, but you get my point. There may be one tiny group of talented people who get on the news because they created a business based on helping criminals turn over stolen phones. For the most part, REAL phone thefts(not false claims for insurance/replacement purposes) are degenerate white trash & hoodrats who have no idea how to do that shit.

Let's say you're smart enough to figure out how to change/get around the IMEI number. You are probably smart enough to do something else with your life that pays 5x as much, with the same amount of effort applied.

No, but these are the people who scour craigslist for "Mr. $10 IMEI changer"

Or sell it on Craigslist with bad imei instead of bad esn lol. There really is no way to stop dummies from stealing things.
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PhoenixAZ
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said by bobjohnson:

said by PhoenixAZ:

said by thender:

Talented people when it comes to phone stuff make apps for six figures.

Talented lazy people when it comes to phone stuff run unlocking/repair businesses out of their apartments.

Idiots when it comes to phone stuff stand on street corners, wait for people who are not paying attention, and strike.

Not precise, but you get my point. There may be one tiny group of talented people who get on the news because they created a business based on helping criminals turn over stolen phones. For the most part, REAL phone thefts(not false claims for insurance/replacement purposes) are degenerate white trash & hoodrats who have no idea how to do that shit.

Let's say you're smart enough to figure out how to change/get around the IMEI number. You are probably smart enough to do something else with your life that pays 5x as much, with the same amount of effort applied.

No, but these are the people who scour craigslist for "Mr. $10 IMEI changer"

Or sell it on Craigslist with bad imei instead of bad esn lol. There really is no way to stop dummies from stealing things.

Cue the "You can still use it as an iPod touch!!" ads


Simba7
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said by PhoenixAZ:

Cue the "You can still use it as an iPod touch!!" ads

..or a VoIP phone.


thender
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VoIP is for

a) offices
b) nerds that read DSLR;

NOT for people who steal iPhones.