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KoRnGtL15
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Windows 8 anti virus Norton 2013 or something else?

I want more then what the built in windows defender offers. I have not used Norton in YEARS! But, have heard good stuff about it now. My concern. I watched a youtube video on it and holy crap. Sooooo many settings and they look confusing. I would not even know where to start settings wise to make them optimal. I have always used Avira and know the programs inside and out setting wise. Free version and paid. But, Avira is not out for Windows 8.


Cudni
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Try it, it might only look complicated without being so. Usually all those settings are there for the people who like to tinker

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said by KoRnGtL15:
I have not used Norton in YEARS! But, have heard good stuff about it now.
Go for Norton, you will not regret it.
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My concern. I watched a youtube video on it and holy crap. Sooooo many settings and they look confusing. I would not even know where to start settings wise to make them optimal.
When I remember well, out-of-box settings are pretty well and will protect you in an adequate way. Fine-tuning can be done at the moment you have some free time available.
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KoRnGtL15
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Norton has a 6 month trial. I am willing to give it a try. But, its for 2012 and you have to install it. Can you not register some where on Norton's website for the 6 month key? I only see for 1 month. I was also on the Norton forums and reading 2013 anti virus version is pretty buggy atm?


Dustyn
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I'm sticking with NIS 2012 until Symantec fixes NIS 2013.


Dustyn
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reply to KoRnGtL15
You can try here if you want 2013: »www.mostiwant.com/blog/norton-in···uct-key/


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Prior to 2009 NIS for years sucked. In 2009 they were resurrected and certainly without qualification between then and the 2012 versions they remained one of the best.

But as discussed in several threads for their current 2013 version they have a problem with a serious aspect of their AV protection. The problem is serious enough that Norton wouldn't test their product with AV Comparatives arguably the premier or most respected AV vendor product tester. Too many that is a stop for now situation. Frankly all though it is a serious single element of the AV protection it may be fixable. If that can be documented that it is fixed I would highly recommend NIS.


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said by Blogger:

But as discussed in several threads for their current 2013 version they have a problem with a serious aspect of their AV protection. The problem is serious enough that Norton wouldn't test their product with AV Comparatives arguably the premier or most respected AV vendor product tester.

The issue is not a problem with Norton's protection. Norton continues to score highly in real-world tests. The issue is that Symantec contends that the methodology used in one specific AV-Comparatives test does not provide a fair evaluation of what the product actually does, and so gives a misleading result. Because Symantec opted out of that test, they were prevented from participating in any of the other tests. As more products adopt newer strategies to prevent infections, there seems to be a growing recognition among some vendors that standard narrowly-focused detection tests are becoming less reliable indicators of how well a product will actually protect a system.

»nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/10···do-them/


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said by Nimbus:

said by Blogger:

But as discussed in several threads for their current 2013 version they have a problem with a serious aspect of their AV protection. The problem is serious enough that Norton wouldn't test their product with AV Comparatives arguably the premier or most respected AV vendor product tester.

The issue is not a problem with Norton's protection. Norton continues to score highly in real-world tests. The issue is that Symantec contends that the methodology used in one specific AV-Comparatives test does not provide a fair evaluation of what the product actually does, and so gives a misleading result. Because Symantec opted out of that test, they were prevented from participating in any of the other tests. As more products adopt newer strategies to prevent infections, there seems to be a growing recognition among some vendors that standard narrowly-focused detection tests are becoming less reliable indicators of how well a product will actually protect a system.

»nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/10···do-them/

My understanding of the situation, (I know there have been some recent documented linked posts in other threads currently running and a some months ago on this subject and they all say the same thing), so for now I choose to go with that view that is somewhat different than your POV and the linked content you provided: Thanks for providing that.

First off we all agree that it is one particular test. But:

1. Norton never objected to that test before this version.
2. All of the other heavy hitters do not object to that test, ergo Kaspersky, MacAfee and on and one.
3. NIS 2009-20012 definitely has been a top of the line product.

AV Comparatives puts forth a strong argument of the value and worth or importance of the test in question stating the test has high reliability and validity.

So IMO the circumstantial evidence strongly supports Norton 2013 is at least suspect. For now. I'm open to change my mind pending new persuasive evidence.

I will speculate that Norton will freely submit next year to that test and of their entire NIS along with some spin making them sound good but regardless will end up submitting and passing the test or getting a "competitive score" with the other agreed upon many fine NIS or AV products.

Either way I think we can agree we haven't heard the last of the issue or that things will stay static.


Woody79_00
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To be honest, im not saying Norton is bad, but its way over-priced.

I have a better alternative....Software Restriction policies....

Follow this guide:
»www.mechbgon.com/srp/

That will make your system where you have to "right click" a file and run it as administrator before it will even install....Drive-by malware is dead in its tracks.....You would purposely have to right click and file and run it as admin to get infected in 99% of circumstances.

Next change your User Account Control settings to the highest level (always prompt)

Then you can run the built in Defender, or another free/or cheaper AV since your not relying on it to protect to.

I got a 3 year license to GFI Vipre Internet Security cheaper then a 1 year sub to Norton or McAfee....I like Vipre because it is light, I don't know its there and it seems to work if needed. However I rely more on SRP then AV to protect me.

you can save some money by using SRP....or you can buy the Standard version of Faronics anti-executable....both offer more protection then AV software....using either SRP or Faronics Anti-Executable means AV is just a secondary help...its not your primary protection thus you don't have to invest as many funds in I, yet you will get 200% more protection from SRP

again you would have to manually run an executable as an admin to get infected, and I doubt your going to do that...and you can run downloaded files though virus total to check them before install if need be...

im a big fan of SRP and they are not hard to set up and they work famously..

KoRnGtL15
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I decided to go ahead and give NIS 2013 a shot. So far it is running very smooth and installed fine. But, the settings are massive. I would not know where to begin making them optimal.


Dustyn
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They are pretty optimal right out of the box.
I've tweaked a few of the settings such as Smart Virus Definitions, Auto Program Installs, Monthly Notifications, Scheduled Scanning, Heuristics, Boot-Time scan and others I can't fully recall.

KoRnGtL15
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Heuristics I was thinking of moving that up to aggressive and same with Sonar advanced mode? The only thing I have changed and understood was the Enable Boot Time Protection. It was set to off by default and I set that to "Normal". So many more settings then Avira. I almost feel this is not even a consumer suite.

Aggressive

Lets you configure Norton Internet Security to perform a thorough heuristic detection of files on your computer. This setting is highly sensitive and can cause false positives. It is recommended for advanced users who keep their computer continually connected to the Internet.

Automatic

Lets you configure Norton Internet Security to automatically detect and remove the files that it identifies as infected. This configuration is a recommended setting.

Off

Turns off Heuristic Protection.

My pc is on 24/7 connected to the net.


Dustyn
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Heuristics I have set to "Aggressive" and Sonar is "Aggressive" with auto removal at "High Certainty" only. These are a couple of my personal settings, and just like Symantec says you have to be careful with what you alter as it may start flagging and removing many programs. Some of these programs and files that you've always used in the past that are safe, but not safe in Symantec's eyes. So be careful.
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KoRnGtL15
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Hmm. I guess they don't call aggressive for nothing. That seems like a bit munch since I have other users on this machine as well. Looks like I will have to keep it off in my case or experiment. Stupid question. If it deletes things say a nasty in general. I see no quarantine place or a option to restore possible false post file/files?

**EDIT**

Found quarantine under Advanced.


Dustyn
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You should see "Quarantine" above... it's in the "Advanced Tab" of the GUI. Or just right click your NIS sys tray icon and choose "Recent History". After it loads change the drop down option to "Quarantine".
EDIT: Good. I see you found it.

KoRnGtL15
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Thanks Dustyn for continuing to help me and answer my questions. Really appreciate it. I don't know if the toolbar is of any help or does anything. But, mine is disabled and says its not compatible with Firefox 16.0.2 Personally I am not a fan of them. But, don't know if I am missing part of the protection? Also. Silent Mode. Is that for gaming or something? I do play games online and wondering if that is what its mainly for.

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said by Dustyn:

Heuristics I have set to "Aggressive" and Sonar is "Aggressive" with auto removal at "High Certainty" only. These are a couple of my personal settings, and just like Symantec says you have to be careful with what you alter as it may start flagging and removing many programs. Some of these programs and files that you've always used in the past that are safe, but not safe in Symantec's eyes. So be careful.

I would NEVER allow an AV to remove any files without my express permission on each file. I also would never allow an AV to move any files to Quarantine without first getting my express permission on EACH file. The setting should be BLOCK ACCESS not "move to quarantine" or "delete" until the user is asked about what to do about ANY file an AV finds "suspect".

As for Norton, I was affected by crappy Norton recently and I don't use Norton! I wondered why there was significant delay on releasing the latest SeaMonkey patch but the same patch had already been released for Fx. The SeaMonkey developer responsible for release of SM updates, both on the website, and to internal updater, told me that the update had to be delayed for almost a week because Norton was flagging SeaMonkey CRITICAL files as viruses. An update through internal updater would result in automatic deletion of these critical SM files for anyone using Norton 2013 and completely cripple SM.

Symantec finally fixed the problem and as soon as they did then SeaMonkey latest version was released to internal updater. SM latest version was released earlier on the website because if you did a manual update you would see Norton going nuts and you could deal with it then and avoid Norton deleting critical SM files. But internal updater does it all in the background so you wouldn't know that Norton was deleting files and when SM started up again it would be crippled or maybe not even start up after the update was applied by internal updater.
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Dustyn
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Silent Mode is for gamming and full screen applications like DVDs and Blu-rays. You might notice the NIS sys tray icon change to an altered state just after coming out of a full screen application before changing back to the familiar state.

You may have to run Live Update! quite a few times and reboot if it asks you to. You have to keep re-running Live Update and rebooting until there are no more updates that require a reboot. After doing all that you should be set... and you should also have full NIS Toolbar compatibility with the latest Firefox. I enable the toolbar features while hiding and disabling the toolbar altogether in IE9.
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Dustyn
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said by Mele20 :
I would NEVER allow an AV to remove any files without my express permission on each file. I also would never allow an AV to move any files to Quarantine without first getting my express permission on EACH file. The setting should be BLOCK ACCESS not "move to quarantine" or "delete" until the user is asked about what to do about ANY file an AV finds "suspect".
I understand Mele20 See Profile, however I'm not endorsing or recommending those settings I've chosen. They are just what I have chosen for my own personal use. They are highly dangerous and should be used with extreme caution.
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KoRnGtL15
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Ran live update again and was prompted for a reboot. After that the toolbar was enabled and works. I totally hate though. Its an eye sore. Do you have to have this toolbar enabled for the other extension works which is the Norton Vulnerability Protection?


Dustyn
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Well, I don't use Firefox myself... however, as you can see through my screen shot it works perfectly in IE9 with the toolbar disabled, and all other Norton related features enabled. Give it a try and see if you can enable everything but the toolbar in Firefox.
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KoRnGtL15
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Okay I disabled the toolbar and the norton vulnerability protection is still enabled. That's a good sign. I had not seen or used a toolbar in so long it made me sick! Haha!


Dustyn
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Awesome!

KoRnGtL15
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You know one thing I like about with the toolbar is safe website ratings. Any way to use that with out having the toolbar enabled?


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Leave the MS one on and running, then toss on PandaCloudFree and you got some awesome protection with almost no system drag.


Dustyn
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said by KoRnGtL15:

You know one thing I like about with the toolbar is safe website ratings. Any way to use that with out having the toolbar enabled?

I believe you figured this out. For others, same way... just disable the toolbar but enable the other Norton plugins.
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KoRnGtL15
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I needed to be a little more clear about the trick I used. I really like the Norton Safe Web from with in the toolbar. I left the toolbar enabled but. I disabled the actual search bar. Since I use the google bar with in firefox. Which btw. Still gives me norton safe search results. And I disabled identity safe with in norton since I am not using it. So, instead of it looking like a nasty and ugly useless toolbar. I just see a few icons as seen in the picture.


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said by Woody79_00:
To be honest, im not saying Norton is bad, but its way over-priced

Even Google can be your friend...

KoRnGtL15
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Its now 90 day but are those in English? It shows a different language. I avoided downloading it because of that and went with the 30 day trial from Norton site. But, I am putting it on another pc now and willing to download the 90 day. If it is in english.

said by Dustyn:

You can try here if you want 2013: »www.mostiwant.com/blog/norton-in···uct-key/