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FFH5
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reply to silbaco

Re: Good idea...

said by silbaco:

How many phones are truly stolen versus simply lost, falsely reported stolen, or poorly looked after?

This won't stop the amount of phones getting "stolen" it will only kill the after market.

In New York, more than 40 percent of all robberies involve cellphones and in Washington, D.C., cellphone thefts accounted for 38 percent of all robberies in 2011.

If there is little to no aftermarket for stolen phones, the criminals will stop stealing them.
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silbaco
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I have a hard time believing those numbers are truly all robberies. Around here, the average stolen cell phone is a coverup for "I left at a bar," "I was drunk and left it at a party," "I forgot it on the roof of my car and drove off," "I was stupid and left it lying around," "I dropped it on the sidewalk," "I left my phone at my gf/bf's house and they read my texts and flushed the phone down the toilet when the realized I was cheating on them," etc. Avoiding the challenge of personal responsibility and possible humiliation. I can't count the amount of teenagers especially that I have seen use the excuse of it being stolen to cover up their irresponsibility.


Bootes
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New York, NY
How many of them are filing fake police reports on their stolen phone? Maybe they tell their friend's and family that it was stolen, but I doubt they're filing police reports and being counted in these statistics.


bobjohnson
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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

said by silbaco:

How many phones are truly stolen versus simply lost, falsely reported stolen, or poorly looked after?

This won't stop the amount of phones getting "stolen" it will only kill the after market.

In New York, more than 40 percent of all robberies involve cellphones and in Washington, D.C., cellphone thefts accounted for 38 percent of all robberies in 2011.

If there is little to no aftermarket for stolen phones, the criminals will stop stealing them.

Or the criminals that steal phones will learn how to clone imeis.
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silbaco
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reply to Bootes
I think you would be surprised. If they can get something out of it, say insurance money, they'll do it.


buddahbless

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said by silbaco:

I think you would be surprised. If they can get something out of it, say insurance money, they'll do it.

Agreed, once they see a loophole ( which there is one see my posts above) its all over. Theres a big difference to report it stolen and get a free phone or say you lost it and be S.O.L and need to purchase a phone all over again.


N3OGH
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Most couldn't be bothered.

The criminal element, for the most part, is made up of people looking for the "path of least resistance". This applies to pretty much everything they do or ever have done in life. School, work (if they work), their homes, thievery & making money.

If your typical off the shelf thief or robber finds it more difficult to simply flip the phone over to a friend in exchange for "whatever" or sell it on Craigslist, they'll go elsewhere.

There's always some new way to make a quick, illegal buck....
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thender
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reply to FFH5
The criminal that cannot change an IMEI number, the criminal that can do nothing other than rob a phone from a passerby on the street, is a criminal who does not read the news. He will have no idea what an IMEI number is, or that IMEI numbers are reported to a database which devalues stolen phones.

Further, many people will have no idea what their IMEI number is. Many people do not save the phone box or their IMEI number prior to theft. They'll report it stolen without reporting the IMEI number.
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thender
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Talented people when it comes to phone stuff make apps for six figures.

Talented lazy people when it comes to phone stuff run unlocking/repair businesses out of their apartments.

Idiots when it comes to phone stuff stand on street corners, wait for people who are not paying attention, and strike.

Not precise, but you get my point. There may be one tiny group of talented people who get on the news because they created a business based on helping criminals turn over stolen phones. For the most part, REAL phone thefts(not false claims for insurance/replacement purposes) are degenerate white trash & hoodrats who have no idea how to do that shit.

Let's say you're smart enough to figure out how to change/get around the IMEI number. You are probably smart enough to do something else with your life that pays 5x as much, with the same amount of effort applied.
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PhoenixAZ
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said by thender:

Talented people when it comes to phone stuff make apps for six figures.

Talented lazy people when it comes to phone stuff run unlocking/repair businesses out of their apartments.

Idiots when it comes to phone stuff stand on street corners, wait for people who are not paying attention, and strike.

Not precise, but you get my point. There may be one tiny group of talented people who get on the news because they created a business based on helping criminals turn over stolen phones. For the most part, REAL phone thefts(not false claims for insurance/replacement purposes) are degenerate white trash & hoodrats who have no idea how to do that shit.

Let's say you're smart enough to figure out how to change/get around the IMEI number. You are probably smart enough to do something else with your life that pays 5x as much, with the same amount of effort applied.

No, but these are the people who scour craigslist for "Mr. $10 IMEI changer"


bobjohnson
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said by PhoenixAZ:

said by thender:

Talented people when it comes to phone stuff make apps for six figures.

Talented lazy people when it comes to phone stuff run unlocking/repair businesses out of their apartments.

Idiots when it comes to phone stuff stand on street corners, wait for people who are not paying attention, and strike.

Not precise, but you get my point. There may be one tiny group of talented people who get on the news because they created a business based on helping criminals turn over stolen phones. For the most part, REAL phone thefts(not false claims for insurance/replacement purposes) are degenerate white trash & hoodrats who have no idea how to do that shit.

Let's say you're smart enough to figure out how to change/get around the IMEI number. You are probably smart enough to do something else with your life that pays 5x as much, with the same amount of effort applied.

No, but these are the people who scour craigslist for "Mr. $10 IMEI changer"

Or sell it on Craigslist with bad imei instead of bad esn lol. There really is no way to stop dummies from stealing things.
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PhoenixAZ
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said by bobjohnson:

said by PhoenixAZ:

said by thender:

Talented people when it comes to phone stuff make apps for six figures.

Talented lazy people when it comes to phone stuff run unlocking/repair businesses out of their apartments.

Idiots when it comes to phone stuff stand on street corners, wait for people who are not paying attention, and strike.

Not precise, but you get my point. There may be one tiny group of talented people who get on the news because they created a business based on helping criminals turn over stolen phones. For the most part, REAL phone thefts(not false claims for insurance/replacement purposes) are degenerate white trash & hoodrats who have no idea how to do that shit.

Let's say you're smart enough to figure out how to change/get around the IMEI number. You are probably smart enough to do something else with your life that pays 5x as much, with the same amount of effort applied.

No, but these are the people who scour craigslist for "Mr. $10 IMEI changer"

Or sell it on Craigslist with bad imei instead of bad esn lol. There really is no way to stop dummies from stealing things.

Cue the "You can still use it as an iPod touch!!" ads


Simba7
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said by PhoenixAZ:

Cue the "You can still use it as an iPod touch!!" ads

..or a VoIP phone.


thender
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VoIP is for

a) offices
b) nerds that read DSLR;

NOT for people who steal iPhones.