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dirtyjeffer
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Re: Apple now has a Lightning to Micro USB Cable

said by Nezmo:

This is Apple arrogance at it's best. Had Apple offered the adapters for a reasonable price I think there would be less frustration out there.

i think $25 for a quality connector is reasonable...it isn't just a "connector", it is a "smart connector", that is reversible and completely digital (to allow alternative pinouts for various applications)...personally, having seen some of the $2 crap out there, i'm glad Apple doesn't allow cheap junk out there to ruin your devices...our work is littered with Blackberry and Android products with broken micro-usb connectors on them and it is a PITA and costly to continuously have them replaced/fixed...in fact, it is FAR more costly than a $25 quality connector.

in any event, if the $2 cable is that important to you, then don't buy an iPhone5...no one says you have to buy one.
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said by dirtyjeffer:

said by Nezmo:

This is Apple arrogance at it's best. Had Apple offered the adapters for a reasonable price I think there would be less frustration out there.

...

in any event, if the $2 cable is that important to you, then don't buy an iPhone5...no one says you have to buy one.

Thank you for that advice.

I have not bought an iPhone 5. The connector is not the only reason.

I have two Apple cables that have come apart at the plug (the cable sheathing has separated where it enters the plug). I never pull a cord by the cable, only by the plug and when not in use I curl it up loosely and put it in a drawer. Again, the premium Apple is charging is a gouge. They can still set their products apart if they must by charging more than $2 but the money they want for their cables and adapters is rather sad.
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said by dirtyjeffer:

it is a "smart connector"

A smart connector would have some kind of "brain". I don't think this one does.


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said by robbin:

said by dirtyjeffer:

it is a "smart connector"

A smart connector would have some kind of "brain". I don't think this one does.

I've yet to see details on exactly what this "smart" thing really offers other than being reversible. I believe folks are simply falling for the hype.
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said by dirtyjeffer:

said by Nezmo:

This is Apple arrogance at it's best. Had Apple offered the adapters for a reasonable price I think there would be less frustration out there.

i think $25 for a quality connector is reasonable...it isn't just a "connector", it is a "smart connector", that is reversible and completely digital (to allow alternative pinouts for various applications)...personally, having seen some of the $2 crap out there, i'm glad Apple doesn't allow cheap junk out there to ruin your devices...our work is littered with Blackberry and Android products with broken micro-usb connectors on them and it is a PITA and costly to continuously have them replaced/fixed...in fact, it is FAR more costly than a $25 quality connector.

in any event, if the $2 cable is that important to you, then don't buy an iPhone5...no one says you have to buy one.

DIGITAL IS DIGITAL... IT'S ALL 1S AND 0S... YOU CAN'T GET A DIFFERENT DIGITAL CONNECTOR AND HAVE IT WORK DIFFERENTLY.

The only real differences would be speed and wattage.

I'm guessing you think the $200 monster hdmi cables they sell at bestbuy also make a huge difference?


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said by Nezmo:

I have two Apple cables that have come apart at the plug (the cable sheathing has separated where it enters the plug). I never pull a cord by the cable, only by the plug and when not in use I curl it up loosely and put it in a drawer. Again, the premium Apple is charging is a gouge. They can still set their products apart if they must by charging more than $2 but the money they want for their cables and adapters is rather sad.

the previous connector was used for the last 9 years...a new connector was needed as it was too large for the new chassis...i highly doubt the issues you have seen with your old connector would happen with the Lightning connector...it is a much better connector (my iPad and nano use the old connector).
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said by robbin:

said by dirtyjeffer:

it is a "smart connector"

A smart connector would have some kind of "brain". I don't think this one does.

it does.

»www.zdnet.com/oh-apple-lightning···0006843/

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)
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said by Nezmo:

I've yet to see details on exactly what this "smart" thing really offers other than being reversible. I believe folks are simply falling for the hype.

being reversible on its own is a great feature, but there are others.

»www.macgasm.net/2012/09/14/light···icro-us/

»brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/13/boom-2/

»brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/···llow-up/
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Dude, they're not out to listen to logic. They're just upset that Apple does its own thing. Nano USB has the advantage of ubiquity, but it is a limited standards. Lightning is a future proof, highly capable, and very convenient interface – but unless android has it, they'll always find something to bitch about, even if it Apple were only charging $2...


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said by Count Zero:

... but unless android has it, they'll always find something to bitch about, even if it Apple were only charging $2...

You generalize too much Sir. I have never owned an Android device. I am on my third iPhone personally and one of my sons has an iPhone and I bought my mother one. I have an iPad 2 and I've lost count how many iPods I have or bought for others.

And I already said they can charge more than $2, just not the silly prices you are apparently prepared to pay.
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said by Nezmo:

I have two Apple cables that have come apart at the plug (the cable sheathing has separated where it enters the plug). I never pull a cord by the cable, only by the plug and when not in use I curl it up loosely and put it in a drawer. Again, the premium Apple is charging is a gouge. They can still set their products apart if they must by charging more than $2 but the money they want for their cables and adapters is rather sad.

the previous connector was used for the last 9 years...a new connector was needed as it was too large for the new chassis...i highly doubt the issues you have seen with your old connector would happen with the Lightning connector...it is a much better connector (my iPad and nano use the old connector).

So the physical construction of the new connector is better? Is there data supporting that?
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said by Nezmo:

So the physical construction of the new connector is better? Is there data supporting that?

it has nothing to do with the physical construction of it...the design on its own virtually eliminates those problems...it is one of the advantages of the Lightning connector.


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And I already said they can charge more than $2, just not the silly prices you are apparently prepared to pay.

if i go to a store to buy a charger for my device, they are all $20-$30...so, you pay $30 for a micro USB cable, or $30 for an Apple cable...the only difference is you won't be able to buy a Lightning cable for $2 each off ebay...personally, i don't care...having worked in the industry, and seen the varying degrees of quality of items, i'd rather have something made to some sort of minimum standards to ensure my $700 device isn't damaged from some POS $2 cable.
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Over the course of 8-10yrs of the standards use it will wind up being like 7-10 extra dollars per year to buy a handful of extra cables. It's just not really an issue.


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said by dirtyjeffer:

said by Nezmo:

And I already said they can charge more than $2, just not the silly prices you are apparently prepared to pay.

if i go to a store to buy a charger for my device, they are all $20-$30...so, you pay $30 for a micro USB cable, or $30 for an Apple cable...the only difference is you won't be able to buy a Lightning cable for $2 each off ebay...personally, i don't care...having worked in the industry, and seen the varying degrees of quality of items, i'd rather have something made to some sort of minimum standards to ensure my $700 device isn't damaged from some POS $2 cable.

Excuse me? You can get 5 star micro usb cables off amazon for $5. Go to the site if you don't believe me.


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said by Count Zero:

Dude, they're not out to listen to logic. They're just upset that Apple does its own thing. Nano USB has the advantage of ubiquity, but it is a limited standards. Lightning is a future proof, highly capable, and very convenient interface – but unless android has it, they'll always find something to bitch about, even if it Apple were only charging $2...

The thing about micro usb is that it is a standard. Which means groups of people work on it, and compete to drive down prices.

So what happens when a new standard of micro usb comes out that supports more wattage and faster speeds? What will you guys do to defend your overpriced buying when that happens?


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said by Metatron2008:

What will you guys do to defend your overpriced buying when that happens?


Personally, I'll just sell a few shares of AAPL to maintain my fix.



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Well since its not likely to be compatible with the old micro USB stuff I will just laugh. How long has microusb been a cell phone standard? How long will it be? I'll wager Lightning way outlasts it in duration and capability and ultimately isn't as uneconomical as you pretend it is.


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usb 3 is backwards compatible with usb 2. One of the advantages of a standard.


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USB 3 and 2 are different standards you understand?

From a USB cable website: "The USB 3.0 Micro B connector is found on USB 3.0 devices. This connector is designed to carry data and power in USB SuperSpeed applications. . Cables with this connector are not backwards compatible with USB 2.0 or USB 1.1 devices."

»www.cablestogo.com/resources/usb.asp


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Nice selective linking...

The usb a-type is backwards compatible with past uab connections. The connector is for usb 3 but any past connector will work with usb 3 a type.

With so many connection a new standard for usb micro would be backwards compatible.


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Yes but the B side is required for the higher power and higher speeds.

AND USB 3.0 specification is limited to 4.5 W right now - though in the future it may go higher. We already know lightning can carry 12 W and Apple hasn't publicly stated its max.


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By your logic lighting's USB cable has the same USB A connector as the old 30 pin..

And I guess you'll have to buy a bunch of extra cables when microusb 3.0 hits phones to get its advantages... Doesn't sound much more economical.


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uh, no, the a-type is capable of the usb 3 speeds :\


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said by Count Zero:

By your logic lighting's USB cable has the same USB A connector as the old 30 pin..

And I guess you'll have to buy a bunch of extra cables when microusb 3.0 hits phones to get its advantages... Doesn't sound much more economical.

Well the point of it being a standard is if you bought the new cables a company could not price gouge.

Plus older connections SHOULD be backwards compatible. I supoose they could go with a different connection, but considering how many devices use the current, it would seem like suicide.


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When I got my 6 monitor eyefinity setup, I got a machine with usb 3 a type. Can power external ssds at near sata 2 speeds (if they use usb 3), and are backwards compatible with all other usb devices (Although I notice a few issues, such as not being able to access bios if you hook up a keyboard to a usb 3 connection, the usb 3 devices only kick on when windows starts).

You say it's not economical, but all I have to get is a usb 3 cord IF a new device doesn't come with one. If they had an apple like system I'd have to replace cables for EVERY USB DEVICE I OWN, OR GET AN ADAPTOR. At $30 a pop.


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USB cables only drive USB devices at USB 2 speeds and at USB 2 power so it's not practical for all devices. It also won't charge these newer tablets (or oversized phones) very quickly so that's a negative.


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Btw every new apple iPhone and iPad and iPod that uses lightning comes with a lightning USB cable...

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said by dirtyjeffer:

said by robbin:

said by dirtyjeffer:

it is a "smart connector"

A smart connector would have some kind of "brain". I don't think this one does.

it does.

»www.zdnet.com/oh-apple-lightning···0006843/

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)

Yeah, the only "digital" feature it has is to have a version of DRM further tying you to Apple:

"Official Lightning connectors contain an authentication chip that makes it difficult for third-party manufacturers to produce compatible accessories without being "approved" by Apple"