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EUS
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Re: WD Live-Media player

Not built in, I have to use a wireless dongle.
It does have a wired port.
I am presently looking for documentation on samba shares. But it would have to be wireless networking, I am not fishing more wires through the walls...
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Try samba.org...

»www.samba.org/

I find Samba on Ubuntu or OpenSuse is relatively easy to configure.... I use Gnome so can't speak of KDE or LXDE or Xfce or ????



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I've had samba running for years for users over ssh, but have no idea as to what WD requires.....
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Just Samba. I already had an existing home network with two Linux computers setup for file & print sharing via Samba. And two client Windows 7 computers.

I just added the WD TV Live to my already existing network in late spring... It was easy...

Just make the share with your movies available to everyone with no password...



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Samba security for WD = USER, correct?



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PS: When first setting up I would disable the firewall on the Linux computers. Once you have verified Samba is working I would enable the firewall and open up the Samba ports for the ip of your WD TV Live and other home devices you want to access the shares///

Samba ports
tcp ports 135, 139, 445
udp port 137, 138



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I'd have to look at my samba.conf file. At work presently but if you want to I can look when I get home...



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That would be great, thx.



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No probs...my pleasure...



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said by EUS:

I am presently looking for documentation on samba shares. But it would have to be wireless networking, I am not fishing more wires through the walls...

You can forget about 1080P and even 720P over wireless. Not going to happen.

Also, I had problems with large shares over wireless too. It took so long to scan the shares the connection borked and the firmware hung to the point of reboot.

You may want to reconsider fishing some cat5e.

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Thx for the heads up.
If that's the case, f*** it, I'll go back to the 1TB drive (that worked) and rotate movies off the computer that will now house the 3TB drive.
After fishing 2 new coax for satellite for the same tv (from ground floor to basement), I'm not doing that again. Ever!
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said by dillyhammer:

You can forget about 1080P and even 720P over wireless. Not going to happen.

I do both frequently over 902.11n.


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said by IamGimli:

said by dillyhammer:

You can forget about 1080P and even 720P over wireless. Not going to happen.

I do both frequently over 902.11n.

802.11n I have done 720P over a power plug network and then wireless and it works.


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said by donoreo:

said by IamGimli:

said by dillyhammer:

You can forget about 1080P and even 720P over wireless. Not going to happen.

I do both frequently over 902.11n.

802.11n I have done 720P over a power plug network and then wireless and it works.

720P yes, if the bitrate is cranked so low the video looks like shit anyways.

Otherwise....

Stutter. Skip. Freeze. Kack. Reboot. Rinse. Repeat.

WDTV Live, Patriot Box Office, same issue. That is my experience, to this day, with both.

Go wired or go USB.

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said by dillyhammer:

720P yes, if the bitrate is cranked so low the video looks like shit anyways.

Otherwise....

Stutter. Skip. Freeze. Kack. Reboot. Rinse. Repeat.

WDTV Live, Patriot Box Office, same issue. That is my experience, to this day, with both.

Go wired or go USB.

Mike

I have no idea on the bitrate, but I have done it and the picture looked good.
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No stuttering or freezing via wireless at my home. It runs as smooth as a DVD or BluRay disc in a player...



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said by vue666:

No stuttering or freezing via wireless at my home. It runs as smooth as a DVD or BluRay disc in a player...

What runs as smooth as a BluRay?

Full 1080P over wireless on a WDTV Live?

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said by dillyhammer:

720P yes, if the bitrate is cranked so low the video looks like shit anyways.

Bull. Get better wireless hardware.

5GHz 802.11n with 40MHz channels in greenfield mode makes a *huge* difference. Try it sometime.


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Agreed. If it's fine over 100mb/s, it would be fine over 802.11n and I know it's fine for 802.11g in ideal wireless environments with 720p TV shows.



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said by urbanriot:

Agreed. If it's fine over 100mb/s, it would be fine over 802.11n and I know it's fine for 802.11g in ideal wireless environments with 720p TV shows.

The WDTV Live only has a 100Mbit Ethernet port. I can get real-world wireless throughput on my above-noted 802.11n network pushing 200Mbit/s. My wireless is faster than any of the 100Mbit ports on my multimedia players are capable of.


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said by urbanriot:

Agreed. If it's fine over 100mb/s, it would be fine over 802.11n and I know it's fine for 802.11g in ideal wireless environments with 720p TV shows.

I seem to be missing some posts in this thread... don't know why... maybe I have someone blocked.



In any event, I have a terrific 802.11n network running and make use of it to its fullest, routinely. That is, I can transfer large files and max the wireless out without any problems at all.

But full 1080P video will not play to the WDTV Live over wireless.

I'm not talking about theoretical wireless speeds or experiments in lab environments with pristine wireless conditions, or from 200 foot tree to 200 foot tree in Mordor. I'm talking about full 1080P and most full 720P media files being played over a wireless network in a real world environment (houses, with walls and floors and such) to a WDTV Live unit. It's horrendous.

That's my experience, with my wireless network, in my environment, with my WDTV Live, and a Patriot Box Office for good measure.

I'm telling the OP to save himself the trouble and either wire up or USB up.

I won't have a hand in saying otherwise.

I hate coming to this forum. Must... remember.... to stay.... the fuck out of here.



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Sorry but it was easier just to cut and past the contents of the samba.conf

#======================= Global Settings =======================

[global]

## Browsing/Identification ###

# Change this to the workgroup/NT-domain name your Samba server will part of
workgroup = workgroup

# server string is the equivalent of the NT Description field
server string = %h server (Samba, Ubuntu)

# Windows Internet Name Serving Support Section:
# WINS Support - Tells the NMBD component of Samba to enable its WINS Server
# wins support = no

# WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client
# Note: Samba can be either a WINS Server, or a WINS Client, but NOT both
; wins server = w.x.y.z

# This will prevent nmbd to search for NetBIOS names through DNS.
dns proxy = no

# What naming service and in what order should we use to resolve host names
# to IP addresses
; name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast

#### Networking ####

# The specific set of interfaces / networks to bind to
# This can be either the interface name or an IP address/netmask;
# interface names are normally preferred
; interfaces = 127.0.0.0/8 eth0

# Only bind to the named interfaces and/or networks; you must use the
# 'interfaces' option above to use this.
# It is recommended that you enable this feature if your Samba machine is
# not protected by a firewall or is a firewall itself. However, this
# option cannot handle dynamic or non-broadcast interfaces correctly.
; bind interfaces only = yes

#### Debugging/Accounting ####

# This tells Samba to use a separate log file for each machine
# that connects
log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m

# Cap the size of the individual log files (in KiB).
max log size = 1000

# We want Samba to log a minimum amount of information to syslog. Everything
# should go to /var/log/samba/log.{smbd,nmbd} instead. If you want to log
# through syslog you should set the following parameter to something higher.
syslog = 0

# Do something sensible when Samba crashes: mail the admin a backtrace
panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d

####### Authentication #######

# "security = user" is always a good idea. This will require a Unix account
# in this server for every user accessing the server. See
# /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/Samba3-HOWTO/ServerType.html
# in the samba-doc package for details.
# security = user

# You may wish to use password encryption. See the section on
# 'encrypt passwords' in the smb.conf(5) manpage before enabling.
; encrypt passwords = yes

# If you are using encrypted passwords, Samba will need to know what
# password database type you are using.
; passdb backend = tdbsam

obey pam restrictions = yes

# This boolean parameter controls whether Samba attempts to sync the Unix
# password with the SMB password when the encrypted SMB password in the
# passdb is changed.
unix password sync = yes

# For Unix password sync to work on a Debian GNU/Linux system, the following
# parameters must be set (thanks to Ian Kahan for
# sending the correct chat script for the passwd program in Debian Sarge).
passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
passwd chat = *Enter\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *Retype\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* .

# This boolean controls whether PAM will be used for password changes
# when requested by an SMB client instead of the program listed in
# 'passwd program'. The default is 'no'.
pam password change = yes

# This option controls how unsuccessful authentication attempts are mapped
# to anonymous connections
map to guest = bad user

########## Domains ###########

# Is this machine able to authenticate users. Both PDC and BDC
# must have this setting enabled. If you are the BDC you must
# change the 'domain master' setting to no
#
; domain logons = yes
#
# The following setting only takes effect if 'domain logons' is set
# It specifies the location of the user's profile directory
# from the client point of view)
# The following required a [profiles] share to be setup on the
# samba server (see below)
; logon path = \\%N\profiles\%U
# Another common choice is storing the profile in the user's home directory
# (this is Samba's default)
# logon path = \\%N\%U\profile

# The following setting only takes effect if 'domain logons' is set
# It specifies the location of a user's home directory (from the client
# point of view)
; logon drive = H:
# logon home = \\%N\%U

# The following setting only takes effect if 'domain logons' is set
# It specifies the script to run during logon. The script must be stored
# in the [netlogon] share
# NOTE: Must be store in 'DOS' file format convention
; logon script = logon.cmd

# This allows Unix users to be created on the domain controller via the SAMR
# RPC pipe. The example command creates a user account with a disabled Unix
# password; please adapt to your needs
; add user script = /usr/sbin/adduser --quiet --disabled-password --gecos "" %u

# This allows machine accounts to be created on the domain controller via the
# SAMR RPC pipe.
# The following assumes a "machines" group exists on the system
; add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -g machines -c "%u machine account" -d /var/lib/samba -s /bin/false %u

# This allows Unix groups to be created on the domain controller via the SAMR
# RPC pipe.
; add group script = /usr/sbin/addgroup --force-badname %g

########## Printing ##########

# If you want to automatically load your printer list rather
# than setting them up individually then you'll need this
# load printers = yes

# lpr(ng) printing. You may wish to override the location of the
# printcap file
; printing = bsd
; printcap name = /etc/printcap

# CUPS printing. See also the cupsaddsmb(8) manpage in the
# cupsys-client package.
; printing = cups
; printcap name = cups

############ Misc ############

# Using the following line enables you to customise your configuration
# on a per machine basis. The %m gets replaced with the netbios name
# of the machine that is connecting
; include = /home/samba/etc/smb.conf.%m

# Most people will find that this option gives better performance.
# See smb.conf(5) and /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/Samba3-HOWTO/speed.html
# for details
# You may want to add the following on a Linux system:
# SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
# socket options = TCP_NODELAY

# The following parameter is useful only if you have the linpopup package
# installed. The samba maintainer and the linpopup maintainer are
# working to ease installation and configuration of linpopup and samba.
; message command = /bin/sh -c '/usr/bin/linpopup "%f" "%m" %s; rm %s' &

# Domain Master specifies Samba to be the Domain Master Browser. If this
# machine will be configured as a BDC (a secondary logon server), you
# must set this to 'no'; otherwise, the default behavior is recommended.
# domain master = auto

# Some defaults for winbind (make sure you're not using the ranges
# for something else.)
; idmap uid = 10000-20000
; idmap gid = 10000-20000
; template shell = /bin/bash

# The following was the default behaviour in sarge,
# but samba upstream reverted the default because it might induce
# performance issues in large organizations.
# See Debian bug #368251 for some of the consequences of *not*
# having this setting and smb.conf(5) for details.
; winbind enum groups = yes
; winbind enum users = yes

# Setup usershare options to enable non-root users to share folders
# with the net usershare command.

# Maximum number of usershare. 0 (default) means that usershare is disabled.
; usershare max shares = 100

# Allow users who've been granted usershare privileges to create
# public shares, not just authenticated ones
usershare allow guests = yes
username map = /etc/samba/smbusers
security = user
; guest ok = no
; guest account = nobody

#======================= Share Definitions =======================

# Un-comment the following (and tweak the other settings below to suit)
# to enable the default home directory shares. This will share each
# user's home director as \\server\username
;[homes]
; comment = Home Directories
; browseable = no

# By default, the home directories are exported read-only. Change the
# next parameter to 'no' if you want to be able to write to them.
; read only = yes

# File creation mask is set to 0700 for security reasons. If you want to
# create files with group=rw permissions, set next parameter to 0775.
; create mask = 0700

# Directory creation mask is set to 0700 for security reasons. If you want to
# create dirs. with group=rw permissions, set next parameter to 0775.
; directory mask = 0700

# By default, \\server\username shares can be connected to by anyone
# with access to the samba server. Un-comment the following parameter
# to make sure that only "username" can connect to \\server\username
# The following parameter makes sure that only "username" can connect
#
# This might need tweaking when using external authentication schemes
; valid users = %S

# Un-comment the following and create the netlogon directory for Domain Logons
# (you need to configure Samba to act as a domain controller too.)
;[netlogon]
; comment = Network Logon Service
; path = /home/samba/netlogon
; guest ok = yes
; read only = yes

# Un-comment the following and create the profiles directory to store
# users profiles (see the "logon path" option above)
# (you need to configure Samba to act as a domain controller too.)
# The path below should be writable by all users so that their
# profile directory may be created the first time they log on
;[profiles]
; comment = Users profiles
; path = /home/samba/profiles
; guest ok = no
; browseable = no
; create mask = 0600
; directory mask = 0700

[printers]
comment = All Printers
browseable = no
path = /var/spool/samba
printable = yes
; guest ok = no
; read only = yes
create mask = 0700

# Windows clients look for this share name as a source of downloadable
# printer drivers
[print$]
comment = Printer Drivers
path = /var/lib/samba/printers
; browseable = yes
writeable = yes
guest ok = yes
# Uncomment to allow remote administration of Windows print drivers.
# You may need to replace 'lpadmin' with the name of the group your
# admin users are members of.
# Please note that you also need to set appropriate Unix permissions
# to the drivers directory for these users to have write rights in it
; write list = root, @lpadmin

# A sample share for sharing your CD-ROM with others.
;[cdrom]
; comment = Samba server's CD-ROM
; read only = yes
; locking = no
; path = /cdrom
; guest ok = yes

# The next two parameters show how to auto-mount a CD-ROM when the
# cdrom share is accesed. For this to work /etc/fstab must contain
# an entry like this:
#
# /dev/scd0 /cdrom iso9660 defaults,noauto,ro,user 0 0
#
# The CD-ROM gets unmounted automatically after the connection to the
#
# If you don't want to use auto-mounting/unmounting make sure the CD
# is mounted on /cdrom
#
; preexec = /bin/mount /cdrom
; postexec = /bin/umount /cdrom

[shares]
comment = shares
path = /media
writeable = yes
; browseable = yes
guest ok = yes



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Nice, thanks.



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Hm, so I'm guessing my old linksys wireless @ 54Meg will probably not cut it @ 1080p
I have no media @ 720, either regular dvd iso backups, or 1080p mkv backups.
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said by dillyhammer:

I'm not talking about theoretical wireless speeds or experiments in lab environments with pristine wireless conditions, or from 200 foot tree to 200 foot tree in Mordor. I'm talking about full 1080P and most full 720P media files being played over a wireless network in a real world environment (houses, with walls and floors and such) to a WDTV Live unit. It's horrendous.

My experiences are real-world conditions in my own home, not lab conditions. I don't use 2.4GHz for anything important. I use 5GHz, with 40MHz channels, in Greenfield mode. With this equipment and these settings you will almost universally get more than 100Mbit/s sustained throughput with modestly-decent hardware. Pulling 17MB/s sustained over one of these links is the norm. That translates into 136Mbit/s. This is also just using the 2x2 hardware. The 450Mbit/s air 3x3 link between my laptop and my E4200 is even faster.

To make blanket claims that wireless isn't an option is a complete misnomer. Maybe you can't. I can, better than the built-in Ethernet port on the WDTV Live can. As I said, and will say again, your equipment and/or the ability to deploy a wifi networks sucks. Dual-band routers and compatible dual-band USB dongles for the WDTV Live aren't exactly expensive anymore, either.


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said by Gone:

To make blanket claims that wireless isn't an option is a complete misnomer. Maybe you can't.

The use of italics accurately summarizes the issue and your previous sentence summarizes the disagreement.


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said by EUS:

Nice, thanks.

Sorry but I was going to remove all of the comments but ran into a time issue and had to do something else...


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It's all good, I know how to skip the "noise" as it were.



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As you can see from my samba.conf I mount all my internal and external drives in the /media folder and make everything there shareable

/media/movies
/media/tv-shows
/media/music
/media/ebooks

I have 2TB drive for movies, 2TB for TV Show, 500gb for music and 1 TB for e-books, pdfs, comics, graphic novels....



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said by EUS:

Hm, so I'm guessing my old linksys wireless @ 54Meg will probably not cut it @ 1080p
I have no media @ 720, either regular dvd iso backups, or 1080p mkv backups.

I have never been able to stream 1080P to my WDTV live via wireless. Nor my Patriot Box. This is with a TP-Link 1043ND running Gargoyle firmware. I'm really not sure if it's a limitation of the wireless implementation in the firmware on these media devices or what, but it's ugly. I mean, these are very small units with ultra-small processors and diddly for ram, embedded Unix most of them. The Patriot unit has a fan, the WDTV unit does not. Honking wireless connections I'm sure are not part of the grand scheme of things.

I could stream run-of-the-mill media files no problem. You know the kind. 700MB, 2 hours long. As soon as the bitrate got cranked up the wireless would kack. It varied, file to file, but anything 2 hours long greater than 3GB had issues, 5GB got ugly, and 10GB files just outright b-b-b-b-barfed.

The support forums operated by the makers of these devices are littered with similar stories - folks just plain disappointed in the wireless. It's junk.

I had a vision of, you know, a nice wireless cloud of media sharing throughout the house. That got dashed pretty damn quick. On a WDTV Live or Patriot Box, wireless is not an option for 1080P. That is the reality.

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