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Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

1 recommendation

Overcharging for Cable TV

The cable companies need to learn that they will lose more customers if they continue the outrageous rate hikes.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
And people like you need to learn that its not solely the Incumbants fault when they have like $40-$50 a month / per customer in carriage fee's to cover.

bn1221

join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY
Where I am is 33 dollars a month for 20 channels (they advertise it as more but its music channels)


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

1 recommendation

Yes, they have overhead, and they are in the business to make money. Carriage fee's go up, prices go up for customers. Over the last decade, what prices have come down?

If people feel its too expensive, dont buy it. Quite simple.


FLATLINE

join:2007-02-27
Buffalo, NY
reply to ITALIAN926
Kind of a wasted point don't you think? We as subscribers can't punish those we don't pay directly. Besides do we or should we really care who's at fault over what? They can all stand to tighten their belts and get their acts together. Let them continue to fight over the dwindling piece of pie till they decide to change the game for the better.


bigunk
Gort, Klattu Birada Nikto

join:2001-02-10
USA
One thing they'll be doing for sure is going after those who lost their homes and everything they own in the hurricane for the cable box or a stupid amount of money. Just watch.

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
reply to ITALIAN926
Yes it is. They are the one who sign the contracts. In fact their "spinoff" Time Warner is one of the bad actors--look at HBO. If they don't like the terms, don't sign, except that Joe and Bob work for the same company.

I get your point, don't like it, don't buy it. That is what the blog is about, people are not buying it. Consider almost all growth in cellular in 2012 was from the prepaid market. People just aren't going to plunk down $150 like robots anymore.

I also get the point that while TV is the anchor today, internet will be soon enough, and the margins there are superior.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by elefante72:

Yes it is. They are the one who sign the contracts.

Ok so maybe cable can act like DishNetwork and not sign any deals like they did with AMC. How many subs did Dish lose over that? Yeah real incentive to stop paying higher and higher carriage fees when customers flee in droves when they do that.

If a cable company, say mine, ( Charter ) told ESPN they would be putting all the ESPN channels on the sports tier so only those that wanted it would pay for it Charter would lose a ton of customers. they would lose even more when Disney pulls their channels off of Charter because of that.

So customer's can talk all they want about how they want these pay TV companies to stop giving in to the content holders, but if they do these same customers bail on them and go with a payTV company that gave in and paid the higher fees. So most customers all full of shit since they REFUSE to stick by a company that is trying to stop higher and higher price increases. So as I said where is the incentive?

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
It's not time yet. Right now Comcast/TWC are loosing cables subs, gliding on phone, and adding internet. In the case of TWC the gap between TV and internet is 2 million folks, so the saturation rate is getting close. At some point they will have negative "growth" across the board. Once that happens they will need to get more creative (either through higher fees, or offering new products). Seeing that cable is the same as 1985, they will probably continue to jack rates until they are forced to offer new products. They have already started the assault on internet with cable modem fees and higher equipment fees (which doesn't cost them more)

I just got an offer for 20/2 and basic cable (broadcast) for $50. That is not a bad deal. This is half the price of my FIOS, and if I look at viewership last month 5% was on non-broadcast. So I'm paying $50 for 5%, NOT a good deal. My renew for FIOS is next month, if they try to raise prices, hello TWC.

In the release they said that they were making more $$$ by charging more for equipment...You can only get away with that for so long.

Maybe I'm wrong, people may keep paying out the nose, in that case all is good.

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
I forgot to add, that viewership for Netflix is now 70% of the consumption in the house--that is why unlimited internet is essential. That will be another dial they will turn to slow the trend.


bigunk
Gort, Klattu Birada Nikto

join:2001-02-10
USA
reply to FLATLINE
One thing they'll be doing for sure is going after those who lost their homes and everything they own in the hurricane for the cable box or a stupid amount of money. Just watch.


NormanS
I gave her time to steal my mind away
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:12
Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
reply to 88615298
said by 88615298:

So customer's can talk all they want about how they want these pay TV companies to stop giving in to the content holders, but if they do these same customers bail on them and go with a payTV company that gave in and paid the higher fees. So most customers all full of shit since they REFUSE to stick by a company that is trying to stop higher and higher price increases. So as I said where is the incentive?

I'd love to "stick it to ..." Comcast, or DirecTV, or Dish by taking a hike and telling them, "I'll be back when prices are lower", but I can't. I haven't had a pay TV service in my entire life; don't need it, don't want it, wouldn't miss it if none of my friends didn't have it.
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY
reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:

If people feel its too expensive, dont buy it. Quite simple.

<sarcasm>But I have a god given constitutionally protected right to cheap cable tv! It's as important as running water to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.</sarcasm>

You're right on the carriage fees. Our small'ish cable company has rates that are remarkably similar to Time Warner and Comcast. Of course, they are a LOT easier to deal with, their customer service blows TWC/Comcast out of the water, but that's a different discussion...

me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
reply to ITALIAN926
Dish and directv(at least last time I checked) cost less per month than TW does. At least here in the kc area. They make lots of money, and dont have internet or phone money coming in.


pizz
1gbps is all the rage.
Premium
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
reply to 88615298
Good post BF69. I totally agree! Customers no matter what, will bail if they the cable companies, will move channels to pay for it additional.

BTW - Cable TV is a luxury, it's not a necessity! If these prices are too damn high, then just either switch if you can to satellite, or just watch OTA.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
reply to Sammer
said by Sammer:

The cable companies need to learn that they will lose more customers if they continue the outrageous rate hikes.

The rate hikes aren't outrageous. They reflect content.

While we cut-the-video-cord years ago over the "digital tier upgrade" issue, I routinely negotiate pay-tv for a couple dozen kinfolk.
Cable TV wins the bidding war every time, with the notable exception when AT&T bought the business two years ago with $400 rebates - against my advice.

Time Warner, Cox and Charter are always ready to offer up reasonable packages. Comcast is tougher, but they've always been so. Most in LA were blessed to be swapped out with Time Warner some years back.

I'm not pleased with the recent modem-rental fiasco, but so long as they allow us to buy the gear, its just a minor blip in the customer-satisfaction index - I'm hoping they don't go down the road of mimicking bad phone-company practices.

15444104
Premium
join:2012-06-11
reply to bigunk
said by bigunk:

One thing they'll be doing for sure is going after those who lost their homes and everything they own in the hurricane for the cable box or a stupid amount of money. Just watch.



I'm not so sure because it would definitely be on such a large scale that it would definitely serve up poor PR for them, but the greed of these big companies is outrageous, we'll see what happens.

If they did try that you can be sure that the consumer interest media on the local news would step into high gear to lambaste the companies.

15444104
Premium
join:2012-06-11
reply to bigunk

Never Ending Greed!

said by bigunk:

One thing they'll be doing for sure is going after those who lost their homes and everything they own in the hurricane for the cable box or a stupid amount of money. Just watch.


I'm not so sure because it would definitely be on such a large scale that it would definitely serve up poor PR for them, but the greed of these big companies is outrageous, we'll see what happens.

If they did try that you can be sure that the consumer interest media on the local news would step into high gear to lambaste the companies.


Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
reply to elray

Re: Overcharging for Cable TV

said by elray:

The rate hikes aren't outrageous. They reflect content.

Too bad most of the content is unwanted but they don't give us a choice. They give us a package, and usually one or two channels are decent. The rest is just filler.

Truthfully, I'm getting sick of the "Reality TV" bullsh*t.

That's why we just have internet access. We have our phones through ST, including home.


bigunk
Gort, Klattu Birada Nikto

join:2001-02-10
USA
reply to 15444104

Re: Never Ending Greed!

My apologies for posting twice.

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
reply to 15444104
Too late they already are charging for cable boxes.

»stopthecap.com/2012/11/02/kold-h···or-else/

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Overcharging for Cable TV

said by ITALIAN926:

And people like you need to learn that its not solely the Incumbants fault when they have like $40-$50 a month / per customer in carriage fee's to cover.

Yea you are right but if they keep raising those prices, it won't matter who's fault it is. Just saying...


Dude111
An Awesome Dude
Premium
join:2003-08-04
USA
kudos:13
reply to Sammer

 

And the crappy service!!!

THIER PHONE SERVICE IS A PIECE OF GARBAGE!!!!!!!!! -- KEEPS DROPPING CALLS!! (Among other things)

LANDLINE SERVICE IS 100000% BETTER AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN!


dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus

join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
kudos:1
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Overcharging for Cable TV

I'm pretty sure that is what the OP said.


mikedz4

join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV
Reviews:
·Frontier Communi..
·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast
reply to ITALIAN926
That's where big people like comcast can drive prices DOWN!!! They can tell abc/disney either lower their fees or lose 42 million customers and 200 million homes passed.
This NEVER happened back before 1996 when they de-regulated cable. Congress needs to re-regulate cable. Cap their prices so people aren't paying $150 to $200 a month.

Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
reply to Simba7
said by Simba7:

said by elray:

The rate hikes aren't outrageous. They reflect content.

Too bad most of the content is unwanted but they don't give us a choice. They give us a package, and usually one or two channels are decent. The rest is just filler.

If it's the content then it's absolutely true that we're paying for too much garbage! Give us a choice of just the good stuff like real capitalists do.