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Win7

join:2012-10-13
L5x3t4

Not so dificult to secure a PC

Hi,

I've been using for a while on a Win7 Pro 64 , MSE+MBAM+PC Tools Firewall Plus + UACmax.

Except MBAM everything else is free.And MBAM is one time fee.

I've been trying hard to get somehow infected;I used keygens,cracked software,P2P,watching porn, but not a single infection in months (years with XP)

I scanned my PC with ESET online scanner, Kaspersky tdsskiller, HitmanPro but...nothing!

Is a very simple and cheap combination; nothing paranoic like virtual machine, sandboxie,deepfreze,HIPS

I do have an image, just in case.

So, I'm asking , why is so difficult to secure a PC?

Win7



La Luna
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Who said it was difficult?

It's just a matter of a little knowledge and common sense.



Cudni
La Merma - Vigilado
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join:2003-12-20
Someshire
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reply to Win7

said by Win7:

I used keygens,cracked software,P2P,watching porn, but not a single infection in months (years with XP)

What is that they say about the things that sound too good to be true

Cudni
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therube

join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD

1 recommendation

reply to Win7

Is UACmax a program or do you have UAC set to its highest setting?



KodiacZiller
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reply to Win7

I wouldn't feel so confident if I were you, OP.



StuartMW
Who Is John Galt?
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join:2000-08-06
Galt's Gulch
kudos:2

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reply to Win7

I've seen electricians who never turned off the juice before making changes. There's a fine line between confidence and stupidity.
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psloss
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Lebanon, KS

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reply to Win7

said by Win7:

So, I'm asking , why is so difficult to secure a PC?

It isn't difficult to do the things you list, but it's not totally relevant. Most users don't "secure" their PC -- that's the computer's job.


jaykaykay
4 Ever Young
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join:2000-04-13
USA
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said by psloss:

that's the computer's job.

Huh? Computers don't do anything on their own.

Win7

join:2012-10-13
L5x3t4
reply to therube

Is UAC set on max


Win7

join:2012-10-13
L5x3t4
reply to KodiacZiller

This is a real life situation of an "average Joe" consumer.

I am not trying to sell anything here, in fact only MBAM is one time fee, the rest is free. (and I bought MBAM because most of AV vendors will recommend "are you infected?run MBAM)

Let's don't forget that the AV industry is based on profit; they have to sell their products to make money and you will buy if you are scared.

Years ago, the updates were weekly, later on daily, after that few times a day, hourly, every 15 min and now in the cloud.

One AV is no longer enough, you will be advised to install 2 (100% compatible!) , somebody recommended 2 cloud AV's!!!!

Life out there is not that scary; while here on forums the density of computer geeks per square bit is huge, in real life the consumer doesn't want to run complicated combinations, to submit logs or to start in safemode.

I reached this combination (MSE4+MBAM+PCTools Firewall Plus +UAC max) after a considerable amount of time, and I run it on 3 pc's; very light, never had to do anything on the other pc's.

Just a real life situation.

Win7


redwolfe_98
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reply to Win7

if you are in the habit of installing pirated software and supposed "cracks" and "keygens" i would say that your computer is not secure and that it is not secure because of the things that you are doing..

i think the most important thing for securing a computer is using "firefox" with the "noscript" addon..


Win7

join:2012-10-13
L5x3t4

Is not a habit, just to test the endurability of my combination.

And I can confirm that is holding good.

Win7



norwegian
Premium
join:2005-02-15
Outback

You can confirm the pirated software has the same hash keys as the correct programs? The keygens aren't using obscure code?

I just wonder how you know your computer is fine - because nothing is detected by scanners?

Also have you posted here under previous member accounts?
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TheMG
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Canada
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reply to Win7

said by Win7:

I've been trying hard to get somehow infected;I used keygens,cracked software,P2P,watching porn, but not a single infection in months (years with XP)

You're obviously not trying hard enough.

Only a small percentage of keygens, cracked software, and P2P downloads are actually malware infected. Generally speaking, if you stick to popular downloads on well known sites, chances of acquiring malware are not anywhere near as high as you might think, actually relatively low.

As for porn sites being a good place to get malware, not really.

It's when you wander off to obscure/fishy websites and downloads that things start happening. Oh, and downloading/running fishy email attachments from spam, running outdated browser with outdated java and flash, etc.

said by Win7:

And I can confirm that is holding good.

Can you really?

Some malware is designed to stay hidden and undetected, silently sending your personal information away over the internet, or making your computer a zombie as part of a botnet.

It is those I'd be more worried about, than the blatantly obvious malwares which are usually nothing more than an inconvenience.


Link Logger
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join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
reply to Win7

You do more then I do security wise. I run Windows 7 64 bit Enterprise, MSE, Netgear Router, daily backups (more of an operational concern then security), but likely my best security tool anymore is KeyPass as all my online password are different and nontrivial and of course I practise safe hex (so the keygens, warez, P2P, etc don't happen here).

Blake
--
Vendor: Author of Link Logger which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool



goalieskates
Premium
join:2004-09-12
land of big

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reply to Win7

said by Win7:

So, I'm asking , why is so difficult to secure a PC?

Human nature.

First you have to be aware of the potential for problems. Too many people rely on the "expertise" of others, often their buddy "the expert" or a saleskid at the store.

Then you have to be able to admit you don't know it all, and there are very smart people on the other side working constantly. You can be safe today and not so safe tomorrow.

Security is a process of adapting, not a cookbook item where you set 3 programs and you're done.


AVD
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reply to Win7

just unplug it, BAM secure.



dbarber

join:2000-07-25
West Chester, PA
reply to La Luna

said by La Luna:

Who said it was difficult?

It's just a matter of a little knowledge and common sense.

Common sense?
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antdude
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United State
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reply to Win7

Computer illiterates. They just want them to work. They don't care about the details and rules.



Blackbird
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reply to StuartMW

said by StuartMW:

I've seen electricians who never turned off the juice before making changes. There's a fine line between confidence and stupidity.

And I've seen what happened when one simply assumes that the distribution breakers are always accurately labeled before nipping off the 220v drop-wiring to a heavy motor. To prove it, I've still got the insulated side-cutter pliers with the 1/4-inch hole burned through their blades that resulted from the "big blue flash". Misplacing one's confidence can be as dangerous (if not more so) as stupidity.

Browsing in harm's way and simply trusting in a couple of anti-malware programs and an OS setting or two, is misplacing one's confidence.
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"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775


StuartMW
Who Is John Galt?
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Galt's Gulch
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In my experience you never ever trust any "documentation" made by a sparky

Or "as built" markups by anyone.

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AVD
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said by StuartMW:

Or "as built" markups by anyone.

+1
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