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dnglbr
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join:2002-03-23
North York, ON
reply to bt

Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet

Fantastic news. I was just about to switch to Bell next month for their FTTH offering, but would much rather stay with Rogers for something like this.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
said by dnglbr:

Fantastic news. I was just about to switch to Bell next month for their FTTH offering, but would much rather stay with Rogers for something like this.

Considering that this is simply a Beta test right now in one rather affluent neighbourhood in Toronto, I'd say it's going to be a while before anyone else can enjoy it.


elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
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join:2006-08-30
Somewhere in
kudos:2
Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.


mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5
said by elwoodblues:

Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.

You can argue it's not much, but far better than what Bell is offering!

eeeaddict

join:2010-02-14
do you think this will start a pissing contest between the two? being that ffth just requires a few keystrokes to increase speed

MichelR

join:2011-07-03
Ottawa, ON
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reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:

Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.

Tell me exactly 500Gb of what you would download in 5 minutes? If you download 500Gb of movies, you still have to watch them...


mozerd
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join:2004-04-23
Nepean, ON
said by MichelR:

Tell me exactly 500Gb of what you would download in 5 minutes? If you download 500Gb of movies, you still have to watch them...

Many families today have multiple devices connecting from their homes to the Internet via wifi. Devices like iPhones, iPads, Tablets, etc.

Bandwidth utilization can add up pretty fast with many active devices all doing their thing.

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Orthak

join:2012-11-09

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reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues :
Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.
I've never understood this logic.

Let us assume a test file, a video clip 500MB in size. You will consume the exact same amount of bandwidth downloading that 500MB video file at 31.25 MBps (250 Mbps) as you would downloading it at say 5.6 MBps (45 Mbp) only you will do so, much faster.

The same goes with web-surfing. One can assume your YouTube viewing habits will remain the same. The only difference being, you will load those YouTube video's a lot faster, but it certainly does not mean you somehow consume more bandwidth.

Let me put it in these terms. Take a cereal bowl and a drinking straw. Then take exactly 1 cup of water. Using a funnel, poor the water down the straw into the bowl and time how long it takes to get all the water into the bowl. Repeat the same experiment but instead of using a drinking straw, use say a toilet paper roll. Time how long it takes to get the water into the bowl. The exact same 1 cup of water is getting from point A to point B, only using the toilet paper roll will allow more water to flow through thus reducing the time it takes.

Now, unless I have been mislead in my understanding of how bandwidth works, I don't see where the extra bandwidth consumption would come from. The only way more bandwidth would be consumed, is if you spent more time downloading and surfing the internet. In which case, why do you believe your habits would change because of faster internet?


TheFerret
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Toronto, ON
Lets say you want to see something that is 500MB and takes 12 hours to download, you would download it over those 12 hrs and not do much with your connection. Now, lets say it takes 2 hrs to download the same thing, which means after those 2 hours, you would watch that thing and then want to watch something else. This means that you would use a lot more bandwidth with a faster connection than a slower one. Overall, it's the same bandwidth but you can do so much more over the same period of time comparing fast bandwidth to slow. This is how much more bandwidth gets used when you have faster internet.
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bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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said by TheFerret:

Lets say you want to see something that is 500MB and takes 12 hours to download, you would download it over those 12 hrs and not do much with your connection. Now, lets say it takes 2 hrs to download the same thing, which means after those 2 hours, you would watch that thing and then want to watch something else. This means that you would use a lot more bandwidth with a faster connection than a slower one. Overall, it's the same bandwidth but you can do so much more over the same period of time comparing fast bandwidth to slow. This is how much more bandwidth gets used when you have faster internet.

Except that has drastically diminishing returns over a certain speed, where consuming the content starts to take longer than downloading it does.

Under ideal conditions, the slowest connection Rogers offers will download a TV show (in HD) in under half the time it takes to watch it. Under ideal conditions, the 2nd slowest connection they've got will download a full Blu-ray rip in less time than it takes to watch.

We're well past that point for small households, as far as downstream goes.

Multi-user households (that don't share the same taste in media content) might not be there yet, but there's still a point where the connection becomes fast enough that the time it takes to consume what they download is longer than the time it takes to download it.


I_H8_Spam

join:2004-03-10
St Catharines, ON
reply to Orthak
said by Orthak:

said by elwoodblues :
Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.
I've never understood this logic.
The only way more bandwidth would be consumed, is if you spent more time downloading and surfing the internet. In which case, why do you believe your habits would change because of faster internet?

I posted the comment on the front page article as well.

If you sprang a leak, left to seed popular torrent, hacked/opened router, video game patcher left to seed to others, ect ect.

250 MBps can do some serious damage in a capped environment.
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Skyler0

join:2008-08-16
Oshawa, ON
reply to Orthak
You make a solid point, but as someone who went from 36/1 to 75/2 for the increased cap that we are still getting very close and going over frequently despite the difference in cap (150GB -> 250GB).

On the old plan we would always be in the same range as we are now. Getting very close if not going over.


Haris567

@teksavvy.com
reply to Orthak
said by Orthak:

said by elwoodblues :
Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.
I've never understood this logic.

So tell me this do you still use the same bandwidth you used in dial up days? This should be pretty obvious that the higher the speed the more the usage. Eg someone who watches YouTube videos in 360 might switch to 1080 when there is no buffer wait. That's just one out of countless ways your behavior changes when you have better speed. Others might get TV through Internet with better speeds. Like I said, our usage has come a long way from dial up days.

effram

join:2012-11-01
Orangeville, ON
said by Haris567 :

said by Orthak:

said by elwoodblues :
Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.
I've never understood this logic.

So tell me this do you still use the same bandwidth you used in dial up days? This should be pretty obvious that the higher the speed the more the usage. Eg someone who watches YouTube videos in 360 might switch to 1080 when there is no buffer wait. That's just one out of countless ways your behavior changes when you have better speed. Others might get TV through Internet with better speeds. Like I said, our usage has come a long way from dial up days.

Exactly. Faster speeds mean you can do more data-intensive things in a shorter amount of time. This means you could be on the internet the same amount of time as you've always been but have used way more data than you would have before. It's not hard to understand but sadly many people aren't getting the correlation.

The incumbents get it, that is the very reason they are all too happy to increase speeds. It makes them look like they want to make your internet experience more pleasant and at the same time charge you for overages when you inevitably exceed their silly ever-shrinking caps.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
Let's not lose sight of the fact that the only people who are going to sign up for the 250/250 tier are going to be people who actually understand how usage works and will know exactly what they're getting themselves into.

eeeaddict

join:2010-02-14
except that its free so in this case that may not be true


llamas1234

@rogers.com
reply to yyzlhr
or afford it...

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
reply to eeeaddict
said by eeeaddict:

except that its free so in this case that may not be true

Regular consumers who aren't tech savvy will shop for their internet service by calling Rogers or visiting a retail outlet. You cannot sign up for 250/250 through any of those channels. You need to qualify yourself online and then someone from a special team contacts you to set everything up. The people who will sign up for this probably have heard of it through this website or another tech oriented website and are aware of what a GB is.

Also in the Toronto area, it is only deployed in a highly affluent area. Those with higher incomes usually won't just jump on something because it's free for the first year. They're often more interested in the long term costs.

Poser

join:2002-07-28
reply to Orthak
Look at the history of aviation. When planes became faster and more powerful, we eventually aimed our sights on the moon.

With 250mbps, you will set your sights on bigger targets now that you have the technology to acquire them.