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Nezmo
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Re: We've passed Peak Apple....

said by Daemon:

said by ptrowski:

»www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20 ··· ak-apple

Interesting article, I agree with a good portion of it.

The central premise of his Maps argument is flawed. Apple dumped google maps because google would not allow turn-by-turn and injected ads into searches (and wanted to add more). They dumped google precisely because they wanted a better experience for users.

Axeing Forstall and elevating Ive was about replacing Steve with someone who has great vision and product design. Tim is not that guy and I think he realizes it. He may have the CEO title behind him now, but he's still the ops guy.

People have been writing this same story for years and years now, and every time all of them have been wrong. The number of stories you see coincides with drops in the stock price when people get scared. Often, one huge quarterly earnings season sends the stock back on a tear.

We'll see how it turns out-after all, peak Microsoft was right when Bill Gates left. But this article is just wild speculation based on scant evidence.

I think you have some valid points. I think your comment about the Maps is partly correct; they wanted to make a better experience but it was also done because they have a palpable hatred of Google (despite having to back down later and suggest their stuff while they fix Apple Maps). And having maps provided by Google does not fit the total control model Apple wants. YouTube the same.

I think Cook does realize he's not Steve and wants Ive to put back some pizzazz in to things that has been lacking lately.

I do, however, believe that Apple is now in a long-term, mid to slow downturn. I expect to see some more ups in the stock but IMHO Apple is now on the slow decline from it's pedestal.
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Slow decline? The share price has collapsed 18% in 6 weeks. It'll collapse to around $400 in no time.


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said by Brendan:

Slow decline? The share price has collapsed 18% in 6 weeks. It'll collapse to around $400 in no time.

20% from its peak.

Apple has changed violently from last year.

I have an iPhone 4 which has become useless. Seems to be an app I have, (I have no idea which one) that crashes the device. It's been repaired professionally, exchanged, restores, resets (wipe), etc. Still crashes. In particular, the apps that crash the most are the Phone app (the iPhone phone app, the default one), twitter, etc. If I don't put anything on the phone, no crashes. As soon as I restore from iCloud, device is a brick. I've even gone as far as to remove all non-essential apps and data (all pictures and videos and music) and done a reset (none wipe, just wipe all settings), back-up, do a full wipe, DFU, restore (in that order) and restore last back-up from iCloud and the piece of shit still crashes. It's a iOS 6 issue, since it never crashed before that update.

Patiently waiting for BB10 to come out, and if it is half decent, I'm bailing.

Although I will be keeping the MacBooks because I'll never go back to Windows. (windows 8 is okay, but still no OS X)

Apple made their cash off of the iPhone, well, the majority of it, and they have seemed to have lost their focus on delivery a quality OS for their iDevice. It's a shame.
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said by Nezmo:

I do, however, believe that Apple is now in a long-term, mid to slow downturn. I expect to see some more ups in the stock but IMHO Apple is now on the slow decline from it's pedestal.

So you agree with me that the evidence in the article isn't strong, then agree with the central premise of the article? What are you using as your evidence? Just a gut feeling?
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said by Daemon:

said by Nezmo:

I do, however, believe that Apple is now in a long-term, mid to slow downturn. I expect to see some more ups in the stock but IMHO Apple is now on the slow decline from it's pedestal.

So you agree with me that the evidence in the article isn't strong, then agree with the central premise of the article? What are you using as your evidence? Just a gut feeling?

If I had evidence I'd be very rich. I'm no different from everyone else guessing and speculating. I am simply offering an opinion.
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said by Daemon:

said by Nezmo:

I do, however, believe that Apple is now in a long-term, mid to slow downturn. I expect to see some more ups in the stock but IMHO Apple is now on the slow decline from it's pedestal.

So you agree with me that the evidence in the article isn't strong, then agree with the central premise of the article? What are you using as your evidence? Just a gut feeling?

It's speculation as to the real reason about the Maps debacle. No one outside of Apple truly knows, so slow the roll a bit.
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said by J E F F:

said by Brendan:

Slow decline? The share price has collapsed 18% in 6 weeks. It'll collapse to around $400 in no time.

I have an iPhone 4 which has become useless. Seems to be an app I have, (I have no idea which one) that crashes the device. It's been repaired professionally, exchanged, restores, resets (wipe), etc. Still crashes. In particular, the apps that crash the most are the Phone app (the iPhone phone app, the default one), twitter, etc. If I don't put anything on the phone, no crashes. As soon as I restore from iCloud, device is a brick. I've even gone as far as to remove all non-essential apps and data (all pictures and videos and music) and done a reset (none wipe, just wipe all settings), back-up, do a full wipe, DFU, restore (in that order) and restore last back-up from iCloud and the piece of shit still crashes. It's a iOS 6 issue, since it never crashed before that update.

Here's a question. Are any of the apps that you added to the phone the kind that do any sort of "keep alive" function?

I've found that since iOS6 anything like that *may* cause issues until it is either updated or you manually kill that program (I have a VoIP program on my iPhone that caused issues until it was updated and a program that I use to monitor my sleep pattern that I have to force kill when I wake up otherwise it kills the battery and causes all sorts of other fun issues,

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said by ptrowski:

It's speculation as to the real reason about the Maps debacle. No one outside of Apple truly knows, so slow the roll a bit.

Not trying to start a fight here--was just genuinely curious if Nezmo See Profile had more thinking beyond what he/she had already said.

In my speculative opinion, the stock price drive we're seeing is just the first manifestation of the fear that now that Steve Jobs is gone the company is going to fall into mediocrity. I suspect people felt fine at first because the company's momentum carried it in the exact same direction it was just before he died. Now that Forstall is out and the mini pricing was higher than expected, people are starting to see Cook do things differently and the uncertainty (the great enemy of wall street) is manifesting.

Now everyone is piling on, including an article on Slate today. It's just a bunch of bandwagon jumping that seems a little bit over blown. Firing an executive does not cause a company to collapse-- typically it should be viewed as a bullish sign that the executive team is willing to keep moving forward instead of crashing into politics and poor performance.

I think there was also a ton of newbie investors jumping on the Apple share bandwagon that are now freaked and are getting out as soon as they can. That will eventually end where there are no more newbies to remove and the selling pressure will stop. If I'm right, in 6 months or so sentiment will flip and the stock price, while maybe not at all-time highs, will be growing again.

Note that a 20% drop in the stock price = a 20% rise in the dividend yield.
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I manually shut everything down. I have a sleep program too, not sure if it is the same one. Anyway, I just deleted my iCloud, will re-register it on the iPhone, re-back-up, do a full reset, and do a restore from that iCloud.

However, everything I read in the Apple Support Community points that the iPhone 4 isn't compatible with Teh™ iOS 6. Problem apps are The FaceBook, Twitter (which can be deleted), Messages and the Phone App (which cannot be deleted, but an iPhone isn't a phone without the phone app).

Apple has lost a lot of market share in the superphone market, it's because their quality of software has dropped off significantly over the past 10 months or so. If this isn't solved by January 1st (for tax purposes), I'm ditching my provider and will pay the ECF and put the iPhone through the company shredder and buy a BB or Samsung. Even my PlayBook when it first came out didn't give me this many issues.

I do however have the suspicion that whenever restoring from iCloud it is putting on info that shouldn't be there which is causing issues.
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... that's the difference maybe cause I stayed the hell away from iFraud because I want my data to stay in my control.

I've never trusted could services with anything of mine that I can't afford to lose and have a NAS in RAID 1 config.

Maybe you should try dumping iCloud for a bit after resetting the phone and doing local only backups.

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Local back-ups was what I used first. DFU restore in fact. Didn't work. So I'm at a loss to what else to try.

But thinking about that, if the local back-up didn't work, then I shouldn't have an expectation that the iCloud should work.
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i have an iP4 running 6.01 and have not any problems with it EXCEPT for a few glitches with the siriusXM streaming APP that is corrected by a simple phone reboot. I was having a freeze problem on a game but it corrected itself with 6.01 . Also i have iCloud turned off. I just do local backups to iTunes .


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I think it might be the iCloud that is causing the issues, but I need to have a back-up for business purposes. As I said, I can swap over on January 1st.
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It's back up over $11 today.


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said by Count Zero:

It's back up over $11 today.

Yes, and still falling, longer-term. The trend is your friend.


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Long term? Long term Apple is WAYYY up and its products are doing great. I'm not concerned yet.


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said by Count Zero:

Long term? Long term Apple is WAYYY up and its products are doing great. I'm not concerned yet.

Long-term (7 weeks), when compared to your example (1 day).
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Long term 2 years.


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said by Count Zero:

Long term 2 years.


Try 12 years . . .

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