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IanR

join:2001-03-22
Fort Mill, SC

Monitor display resolution question

I am currently using a 5 year old "Dell" monitor at 1920/1200 resolution.
But ALL the monitors I see advertized these days state they are 1080P.
Question: Is this just marketing stuff, or are the new monitors largely not capable of 1200 horizontal lines resolution?


Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
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A 1080p monitor will not display 1200 horizontal lines, it will max out at 1080.

There aren't many 1920x1200 models left, but you can find a few here:
»www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi···hInDesc=


psafux
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join:2005-11-10
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reply to IanR
Monitors are capable of whatever they are programmed to be capable of. Both 16x9 (true widescreen @ 1920/1080 et al) and 16x10 (your 1920x1200) are desired by different groups of people.

A monitor that is designed to transmit 1080 lines will not be capable of transmitting more though the driver package will allow the resolution to be decreased (resulting in a fuzzy picture).


Octavean
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join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
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reply to IanR
Perhaps you have overlooked the fact that there higher resolution monitors out there should you wish it. For example, 2560x1440. I've recently bought my second 2560x1440 monitor but there are other options out there as well. You should be able to find a 2560x1600 monitor too.

If you are looking I find it odd that you are only coming across 1920x1080 unless you are limiting it to a $300 or so price range since higher resolution monitors often cost a bit more.


FizzyMyNizzy

join:2004-05-29
New York, NY
reply to IanR
The P in this case is Progressive scan
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_scan

Other Progressive:
240p
576p
288p
480p
720p
1080p
1440p
2160p

Graphics display resolution
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1440p#WQSXGA

Nexus 10 is WQXGA display 2560x1600. =D But that's a tablet.


koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
kudos:23
reply to IanR
said by IanR:

But ALL the monitors I see advertized these days state they are 1080P.

1920x1200 monitors are still made, and are making a comeback. Here's a post I made on Slashdot about the new LCD I treated to myself about a week ago, in reply to someone complaining about the same thing you are:

»hardware.slashdot.org/comments.p···41840963

I haven't finished setting it up yet, but here's a dorky picture of my setup right now:

»jdc.koitsu.org/lj/omg_teh_monitors.jpg

Dell 2407WFP is on the right, Dell U2412M is on the left (yes, with its protective cover still partially on; no sense in me taking it off until I finish setting everything up. I have not adjusted a single thing on the U2412M, including colour/etc. -- I haven't had time to do it, been very busy).
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IanR

join:2001-03-22
Fort Mill, SC
reply to IanR
Hmmm interesting stuff. Thanks a lot.
I was just looking for all the Sunday handouts for BB, Staples, PC Richards you name it and all seemed to be 1080 only.
Thanks for bring me up to speed.
I personally prefer the 1200 resolution so I am glad it's still available.


koitsu
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Mountain View, CA
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Most of the advertised monitors today have 1080 vertical pixels, yeah. For whatever reason panel makers began making such displays shortly after the 1200-pixel displays. The 1080 displays began getting very popular because LCD prices were dropping massively at the time. But the real reason 1080 displays are popular? Because when you say "1080" people immediately go "oh yeah, 1080p, that high definition BluRay/HD-DVD stuff! I'd better get that!". It's pure marketing drivel.

Guess what they're trying to sell now? This crap. Just look at the thing! 2560x1080, and it's 29". Again: just look at it! I laugh every time I see it.

1200-pixel displays have always been available, but up until about a year or two ago they had diminished greatly (it was very *very* hard to find one from common vendors; you could get them from HP or NEC or something, but a lot of them had quality issues. If you got a good one though, it was wonderful). But there's been a good amount of backlash from consumers wanting 1200 pixels.
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Making life hard for others since 1977.
I speak for myself and not my employer/affiliates of my employer.

IanR

join:2001-03-22
Fort Mill, SC
Very helpful guidance. Thanks.


aurgathor

join:2002-12-01
Lynnwood, WA
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reply to IanR
Unfortunately, the vast majority of 1920 vertical monitors can only display 1080 horizontal lines partly due to marketing, partly due to the HD video standard where one resolution happens to be 1920x1080. While 1080P displays are perfectly suitable for TVs, that's not the case for computer monitors.

BTW, the 16:10 ratio of 1920x1200 monitors is almost equal to the golden ratio, ~1.618... not sure if by design, or by accident.
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printscreen

join:2003-11-01
Juana Diaz, PR
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·Choice Cable TV
·Coqui/PRTC
said by aurgathor:

While 1080P displays are perfectly suitable for TVs, that's not the case for computer monitors.

Why not? Although widescreen is not necessarily better for computer use (I find the squarish 5:4 commonly found in 17 and 19-monitors more useful), 1080 pixels of vertical resolution are perfectly fine for computer use. A year ago I needed to replace my old 17-inch which I used at 1280x1024 and was unable to find locally any new 17 or 19-inch 5:4 monitors since 16:9 widescreen is now all the rage. Not even 16:10 can be found anymore. So I went with a 1920x1080 22-inch widescreen which was the size that matched my old 17-inch in its vertical size, fit the avaliable space and also did not represent a loss of vertical screen space.

But I agree with others, that the the whole 1080P thing is just marketing hype to match HDTV resolutions.


koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
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said by printscreen:

Not even 16:10 can be found anymore.

Eh? 1920x1200 is 16:10 aspect ratio, and as I said above 1920x1200 monitors are making a comeback due to continual pressure/complaints from folks like us who really do prefer the real estate. So, 16:10 can most certainly be found easier than, say, 2-3 years ago (but still not as easy as 5-6 years ago). Maybe the distributor situation in Puerto Rico is different than here in the mainland US?
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Making life hard for others since 1977.
I speak for myself and not my employer/affiliates of my employer.

IanR

join:2001-03-22
Fort Mill, SC
I presume the Dell U2412M is HDCP compliant? I ask because my present Dell 2405 FPW isn't.


koitsu
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Heck if I know. I avoid HDMI entirely because of HDCP.

IanR

join:2001-03-22
Fort Mill, SC
My screen keeps giving me a message that it's not compatible, when displaying TV and I have to trick it by starting off in a small window and expanding it;) Ridiculous...


Octavean
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join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
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said by IanR:

My screen keeps giving me a message that it's not compatible, when displaying TV and I have to trick it by starting off in a small window and expanding it;) Ridiculous...

That sounds odd. What is the hardware configuration, TV signal source and software application being used?

n_w95482
Premium
join:2005-08-03
Ukiah, CA
reply to IanR
I'd say there's a 99.999% chance it does. My 2007WFP supports it, as well as every DVI/HDMI monitor I've set up in the last few years.
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
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reply to IanR
The Dell 2405 FPW is not HDCP compliant. All of their newer 1080p and higher models support HDCP, everything since the 07 series I think.

IanR

join:2001-03-22
Fort Mill, SC
reply to Octavean
Dell studio XPS 435T
with i7 CPU Windows 7 Home Premium
CableCard reader SD HomeRun Prime running in conjucture with WindowsMediaCenter. And source is Verizon FIOS.


Octavean
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join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1
During my first use of my new Auria EQ276W 2560x1440 IPS 27” monitor I ran Windows 7 Media Center as a test on a test system. I believe the error message you are receiving is the same one I received during the test run. Basically I don’t think Media Center likes resolutions greater then 1920x1080. Since that is a typical resolution for media or an upper limit that doesn’t seem that odd. Still, if Media Center could either do away with the error message or automatically adjust the resolution,…or something that would be an improvement.


FizzyMyNizzy

join:2004-05-29
New York, NY
reply to IanR
said by IanR:

I presume the Dell U2412M is HDCP compliant? I ask because my present Dell 2405 FPW isn't.

»accessories.us.dell.com/sna/prod···320-2676

Tech Specs, then Connectivity:
1 Digital Visual Interface connectors (DVI-D) with HDCP

IanR

join:2001-03-22
Fort Mill, SC
That's good Thanks.